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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:05 pm 
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Wondering if anyone makes a "clone" of this speaker (EV12) which is similar in sound and power handling? I'm looking to load my Thiele cab with one.

Thank you,


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:17 pm 
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the celestion century neo has a similar sound but its only rated at 80 watts :)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:10 pm 
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Why do you need a clone when you can have the real thing.
They are all over E-Bay and EV has the EV12L Black Label 300 Watt.
It sound exactly like the 200 Watt, but tighter. That could be because it's new as well.

http://www.evm12lblacklabel.com/


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:34 pm 
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I ask for a "clone" because someone on this board might have information about another speaker with similar characteristics that may be better in some way. Perhaps an improvement on the original design - lighter/better sounding /cheaper etc etc...

That OK with you boss? :D


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:19 pm 
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Ahh, Cheaper.

Well, I am sorry, but your reading a post from a guy who has five EV-12L's and the Black Label 12LB.

I apologize for not being impartial.

The only "Clone" that I know is the Mesa MS-12 made for Mesa by Eminience to replace the EV-12L. It's a 150 watt design and is a seriously
good speaker. The only problem is, Mesa never really replace the 12L with the MS-12 so they are a bit harder to come by. They pop up on E-Bay every once in a while. They have the Knight on a horse sticker on the back.

Lastly, if you find a 12L, they came in 200, 300 and 400 Watt designs.
See if you can dig up four of the 400 Watters to build a 1600 Watt 4X12. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:57 pm 
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If you want to put a clone in a Thiele cabinet, you will have to check to make sure the speaker has approximately the same Thiele parameters (Vas, free resonance frequency etc.). Even if the speaker sounds identical in an open back cabinet, it won't sound the same in a ported cabinet unless the Thiele parameters are pretty much the same.

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Also check out the Eminence Delta Pro 12A. I haven't used it personally, but it is described as sounding similar to the EVM and has a 400 watt RMS power rating.

http://usspeaker.com/DELTAPRO12-1.htm


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:46 pm 
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The Eminence Delta Pro 12A is very good. I replaced the EVM12L in my theile 1x12 with this after replacing the C90 in another Theile cab. I now have two matched eminence DP12A cabs. This speaker has slightly more low end and is smoother than the 12L. Much less expensive than the re-issue 12L and its indestructable (but heavy).


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:39 am 
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The 12A is very close to the EV. It has a 52HZ-4.5kHZ respones. The low end comes from the 52HZ and the smoother top end comes from the 4.5kHz. The 12L is pretty wide open at 80HZ-7kHZ so it has a broader spectrum, but 52HZ is like the frequency Elephants communicate with.
I am sure that speaker has a big bottom end.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:19 pm 
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I just bought the Delta 12A - It will arrive tomorrow. Not sure if I should put it in the actual Mark III combo amp or in the Thiele cabinet.

I'd be smart to put it in the Thiele because the combo is already pretty heavy but I would not always play with the Thiele live.

Maybe I'll try the combo first. If anyone has suggestions for one reason or another please chime in.

Thanks


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:14 pm 
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In the combo, most of your bottom end will go right out the back.
The Thiele is the way to go with that beast. You should have some ripping bottom end and smooth highs.


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Just my 2 cents worth. My friend wanted to buy a theile cab from me. I had one with the EVM-12L and one with the Delta Pro 12A. We used a Les Paul through his Mark IIC+ 60/100 amp and switched between them. I did not notice much change in the bass response, but the highs were another story. The EV was brighter and seemed to be slightly more efficient (SPL) with the same amp settings. The Eminence Delta Pro 12A might be just the ticket for someone who needs a high power 12" speaker that thinks the EV is too harsh.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:36 pm 
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The EV12L has prominent highs and lows, with 'relaxed' mids, so it sounds scooped, and records like hell. I don't like them live, Zakk sounds much better with V30's than with the EV's and Joe B. sounds like he's beating a dead horse to get some mids to cut.

My solution was to put the EV's across the top, and Delta Pro's across the bottom. The DP's fill out the mids and provide a more wide-spectrum low end, like a good bass sound, while the EV's cut through with the distinct high and low end. The Delta Pro's just don't go high enough for my taste. Some people call it a 'relaxed' high end. I call it a frequency cut-off. The two speakers together, it's a brutal combo, but I prefer the Weber Gray Wolf, a better MC-90, for a punchier lead tone. And the Dire Wolf is 100 watts standard.

I gotta try a Dire Wolf and an EV pair... too many speakers, too little time.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:32 pm 
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I have a pair of EV12L's and Delta Pro 12A's. I really like both speakers and if I had a 1/2 back cab, I would load the slightly darker Delta Pros up top and EV's sealed below.

I'm wondering how the DP's would sound in a straight stiletto cab with 2 Vintage 30's up top and the DP's in the bottom...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:42 pm 
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Eminence Legend EM 12

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speake ... egend_EM12

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