Fake???

lpd · Post by **lpd** » Sun May 05, 2019 4:24 pm

Hi

This is locally listed as a Mark I but few things seem off. Volume/master order seems off as does the EQ tonestack order. No dynamo labels and stencilled faceplate.

Thoughts?

s-fresh · Post by **s-fresh** » Mon May 06, 2019 10:37 am

This looks really similar to one of the Neil Young Boogies which were suppose to be some of the earliest ones sold. You might see if you can find a date codes anywhere (either the chassis itself or on some of the electrical components. My guess is it is real based on the photos but who knows. I don't think there is much money to be made recreating vintage Boogies so I just assume everything is real other than the obvious "mass produced" fakes.

McBarry · Post by **McBarry** » Tue May 07, 2019 3:22 am

Hmm..
faceplate looks just "too" shiny..
Back looks rather bare of any info at all..
Wot are the tranny codes ? The O/T looks very Fenderish too
Guts shots will tell in a millisecond..
Backplate timber looks non-orig as do the supports. And missing a couple of mounting screws on the backplate timber.
P/T looks big and typical Boogie.
The Boogie logo - did they ever come with 3 lines under the name ?
There's no "ghosting" of the font like early Mk I's. The solid Name/font didn't appear until the Mk IIA and beyond.
Missing the 4 mounting screws and chromed cup-washers on wicker.
Are the knobs Rogan ? - they look possibly so.
Interesting find.. keep us posted, especially for future readers..

Cheers, Dave

s-fresh · Post by **s-fresh** » Tue May 07, 2019 10:49 am

Here's a front shot of the very early Neil Young Mark I that sold through Julien's:
https://www.juliensauctions.com/auction ... 41/#zoom=z

More Shots:
https://imgur.com/gallery/ypksw

Here's the page from the Mark III era catalog that mentions the first four Boogies were hardwood and made for Neil Young:
https://imgur.com/vhv4dj7 (bottom left aside)

lpd · Post by **lpd** » Wed May 08, 2019 1:39 am

McBarry wrote: ↑
Tue May 07, 2019 3:22 am
Hmm..
faceplate looks just "too" shiny..
Back looks rather bare of any info at all..
Wot are the tranny codes ? The O/T looks very Fenderish too
Guts shots will tell in a millisecond..
Backplate timber looks non-orig as do the supports. And missing a couple of mounting screws on the backplate timber.
P/T looks big and typical Boogie.
The Boogie logo - did they ever come with 3 lines under the name ?
There's no "ghosting" of the font like early Mk I's. The solid Name/font didn't appear until the Mk IIA and beyond.
Missing the 4 mounting screws and chromed cup-washers on wicker.
Are the knobs Rogan ? - they look possibly so.
Interesting find.. keep us posted, especially for future readers..

Cheers, Dave

Hi
What specifically will I be looking for on gutshots?

lovetoboogie · Post by **lovetoboogie** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:56 pm

That's an early Aidean Zoom copy made in Japan... Also known as a "Meisa".

There are alot of em' out there before Mesa got their lawyers mobilzied. They ironically can sound good with a little love...

lpd · Post by **lpd** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:54 pm

Will know ASAP as I’m going to open her up and look at the boards. Apparently it was signed by Randall but I won’t believe the hype until I see the boards for myself

Authorized Boogie · Post by **Authorized Boogie** » Thu May 09, 2019 11:46 am

lovetoboogie wrote: ↑
Wed May 08, 2019 5:56 pm
That's an early Aidean Zoom copy made in Japan... Also known as a "Meisa".

There are alot of em' out there before Mesa got their lawyers mobilzied. They ironically can sound good with a little love...

No, this is NOT an Aidean Zoom copy!

This is a really old amp that actually predates what became the Mark I. The give away is the Level control, basically a second Master at the end of the preamp and coming AFTER the added booster stage. This is the configuration Randy came up with for Lee Michaels and his Crown DC-300 monster power amps.

This amp (and a small handful of others like it) has the extra "high gain" stage at the end of the preamp. This meant that it was always high gain and thus a little difficult to dial a traditional clean.

The amp is legit - verified by Randall Smith

s-fresh · Post by **s-fresh** » Thu May 09, 2019 11:50 am

Authorized Boogie wrote: ↑
Thu May 09, 2019 11:46 am
No, this is NOT an Aidean Zoom copy!

This is a really old amp that actually predates what became the Mark I. The give away is the Level control, basically a second Master at the end of the preamp and coming AFTER the added booster stage. This is the configuration Randy came up with for Lee Michaels and his Crown DC-300 monster power amps.

This amp (and a small handful of others like it) has the extra "high gain" stage at the end of the preamp. This meant that it was always high gain and thus a little difficult to dial a traditional clean.

The amp is legit - verified by Randall Smith

Awesome! Thanks for confirming. Very cool amp to see! I wish I could have swung the Neil Young amp but $5,000+ was out of my league.

lovetoboogie · Post by **lovetoboogie** » Thu May 09, 2019 12:01 pm

Authorized Boogie wrote: ↑
Thu May 09, 2019 11:46 am

lovetoboogie wrote: ↑
Wed May 08, 2019 5:56 pm
That's an early Aidean Zoom copy made in Japan... Also known as a "Meisa".

There are alot of em' out there before Mesa got their lawyers mobilzied. They ironically can sound good with a little love...
No, this is NOT an Aidean Zoom copy!

This is a really old amp that actually predates what became the Mark I. The give away is the Level control, basically a second Master at the end of the preamp and coming AFTER the added booster stage. This is the configuration Randy came up with for Lee Michaels and his Crown DC-300 monster power amps.

This amp (and a small handful of others like it) has the extra "high gain" stage at the end of the preamp. This meant that it was always high gain and thus a little difficult to dial a traditional clean.

The amp is legit - verified by Randall Smith

That is awesome news. Thanks for verifying that. I have a late 73 head that seems to be a prototype. Property tag era. All the ones with the gloss faceplate that I had seen previously were the Japanese clones.

Authorized Boogie · Post by **Authorized Boogie** » Thu May 09, 2019 2:04 pm

lovetoboogie wrote: ↑
Thu May 09, 2019 12:01 pm

That is awesome news. Thanks for verifying that. I have a late 73 head that seems to be a prototype. Property tag era. All the ones with the gloss faceplate that I had seen previously were the Japanese clones.

By 73 there wasn't much going on as far as prototypes. Enjoy!

lpd · Post by **lpd** » Sun May 19, 2019 5:32 pm

Authorized Boogie wrote: ↑
Thu May 09, 2019 2:04 pm

lovetoboogie wrote: ↑
Thu May 09, 2019 12:01 pm

That is awesome news. Thanks for verifying that. I have a late 73 head that seems to be a prototype. Property tag era. All the ones with the gloss faceplate that I had seen previously were the Japanese clones.
By 73 there wasn't much going on as far as prototypes. Enjoy!

It’s legit. Sticker has Randall’s name. Indicates Sept 73.

Authorized Boogie · Post by **Authorized Boogie** » Sun May 19, 2019 5:36 pm

As I posted previously, it is indeed an early Boogie

lpd · Post by **lpd** » Sun May 19, 2019 5:42 pm

Authorized Boogie wrote: ↑
Sun May 19, 2019 5:36 pm
As I posted previously, it is indeed an early Boogie

Looks like a handful of resistors and a cap were replaced, different power cord and speaker I assume. Also looks like the back panel may be replaced??

Sticker indicates September 73 any idea why the later date?

It has three pull knobs; the first volume which boosts, second I can’t hear any difference and third is a treble boost add dimension. Came with a footswitch which you can toggle between channel one and both cascaded together.

Has a stones “can you here me knocking” tone and is loud as hell. Master goes from low to loud quickly

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