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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:44 am 
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The more i listen to your clips the more i am warming up to this little amp...I'm digging it.
It might be cool to have this sitting around here to jam on.
I'll have to check it out...

Thanks for the clips gonzo!8) Nicely done...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:17 pm 
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well, my clips really suck!!
LOL

but when i get a chance to really record with it, really spend some time setting up 'my' sound on it, and mixing it with a proper recording, i'll decide then, whether it's a keeper or not...

it does sound a bit small...

not like my mesa, even at bedroom volume!!

yeah, sounding small, i think, can be overcome with judicious eq tweaking, certain compression, and correct placement in a 'bigger' sounding mix..

of course, looking at the history of zeppelin recordings, for example, page used small amps to great affect...

once i get a chance to record some guitars with this, on a proper recording, i'll revisit this for you guys...

the 8" speaker, like i said, was never a consideration for the idea of getting this amp...
i'll mic it eventually, just for fun...

but i always intended on using it with an external cab, so that part's no biggy.

it makes perfect sense to me, not to have included reverb on this.


think about it..

the whole idea, is to push the POWER section of this sucker....

where does reverb go?

well, AFTER the preamp, BEFORE the power..

so if you take a nice reverb sound, and run it through a distorted, saturated power secton, what do you get?



MUD.

the trem, on the other hand, works wonderfully, both at clean and grunge, and is an intergral part of the sound going into the power section....

more like a pedal, than anything else.

there's no place for reverb in a 'higher gain' amp with no headroom!!!
LOL

it's always best for recording (what this is geared for, i believe) to add reverb after the fact, on mixdown, and concentrate on getting a great pure amp tone first.

i added the effects from my yamaha just to see how the fx loop would work, and it works fine, but i wont be recording any more delays or reverbs thru it!


thanks for checking this out.

i didn't do it for myself, i did it for anyone who's hunting for an amp like this.

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well, as i said in the original post, this is a combination of the direct out, and an external 1x12 cab....

i use that 1x12 cab with the greenback in it, for recording the boogie thru...

of course, the boogie's got much more influence on the speaker, with tone stacks and eq available, so getting a big sound out of the 1x12 and the boogie, is pretty easy..

used the same cab on the mini.

the thing about it is, it's not supposed to sound BIG, per se....

in a crowded mix, i would think the last thing you'd want would be a 'big' sounding cab anyway....

and to be fair, with it sitting all by it's lonesome, it does sound rather small, but it'd never be recorded that way anyway...

i love moving air...
and to me, that's the sound that is always best.

the direct out on this, is not bad.... it had to be voiced in SOME manner, and i guess satriani had the final say so on how it'd be voiced....

i'm sure, it's very similar to the voicing of a Palmer attenuator.....

in fact, i'll get to a/b it against a Palmer PDI-09 soon......
and that'll tell me a lot more.

i find in mixing, that the bigger guitar sound i get (the mark IIb thru a THD 4x12 for example), i start having to roll the low end off to get chunk clarity...

maybe, with this sound, i work the opposite, dial in some low end with high Q's and find the sweetspot in the low end via Parametric eq on mixdown.....?

plus, with a medium condenser mic on the center of the grille, i didn't get much room sound from the cab, and normally i pull it off axis near the edge of the cab, and get much more smoother chunk....
and i didn't do that on this recording..

man, so many variables, it's really hard for me to tell one thing or the other.

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