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Recto Recording Preamp

Post by clemford » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:32 pm

Is 750 a good price for a new floor model for one of these? I'd like to buy it but I've read a lot of negative reviews on these but you guys should be the experts on Mesa products and I would trust your word since this is a Mesa forum. Some have said the live output is good but recording outputs are not, even with impulse? simulators. They claim there is no good way to direct record with this. Others have said the modern setting is design flawed with a Mesa power amp. Lastly, some say an Engl E530 is far superior. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by RectoStudioGuy » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:20 am

First, I would say that 750 is a touch high considering that you can buy a used one for around 500...give or take few bucks. (and floor models are used and abused)
Second, I'd agree that the live outputs are fine but so are the recording outs, you just have to re-tweak your sound as it definately sounds different. But with some practice you can easily figure out your sweet spots.
Third, I've never had an issue with the modern setting when running into any of my Mesa poweramps. And while this amp doesn't play nice with a 20/20 overall (IMO) I think it does well with 50/50's & 2:90's
Lastly, Comparing the E530 to the Recto Pre is akin to apples and oranges, the two just aren't alike enough for comparison other than both having 2 channels. The Engl has an amazing grinding quality, no doubt, but that's all it offers. The clean channel is sterile, brittle, and just doesn't warm up the way I'd like a clean channel to.(IMO) The Recto's clean is nice and smooth and with a bit of tweaking you can find what you're looking for with any of the voicing selections. The gain channel has a nice ability to rock a bit or grind alot depending on voicing selection, but does require a fair amount of work to find the proper settings. Those settings are not universal between the voicing selections and therefore makes it difficult to toggle between them live. (if one were inclined to do so) Additionally, when using the gain channel, reservation is key. Not diming (or even coming close to doing so) the controls is where you'll find that the Recto Pre does offer alot...it just requires some work to get it.
I'm not saying that the Recto Pre is the be all end all of preamps, because it's not. I just find that often times it gets bad press from those that haven't taken the time to explor it completely.
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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by clemford » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:36 pm

I've never seen them for 500 on ebay. They're usually 650 and up. Have these dropped in price recently because of all the negative feedback and also computer impulse stuff. thanks

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by RectoStudioGuy » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:07 pm

Perhaps I'm a bit optimistic :) But there are so many of these units out there in classified ads that one can really pick and chose their own deal. But I do believe some of the pricing to be associated with some bad press as well as just market saturation.
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RH Ch. Recto Pre
G-Major
50/50
Pair of 2X12's (Swamp Thangs on Closed Back V30's on Ported)
...some other stuff of course


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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by clemford » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:04 am

It seems like a nice unit regardless of what press it's had. I think in this attention deficit society of ours people want to plug and play right out of the box . I don't mind tweaking for hours if I can dial the good sounds. I wonder if these new impulse simulators would make this a bit more recordable though. I think I might offer the shop 625 and see if they'll go for it. They tell me it only has a limited amount of hours on it. Who knows? It should come with the 5 year warranty though. Used ones privately most likely don't

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by vipmetal » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:01 am

As I mentioned on other post, I really like my Recto Preamp with live outputs to Mesa 2:50 poweramps. When I first bought it, I put EQ controls in "marshall" position ->bass and treble high, mid low. And I remember that I thought what the F#%¤. It's unlike my bandmate's Triaxis where you get almost instant good heavy sound. So after a lot of tweaking and really listening what controls do, I found my sound. I noticed that mid should be rather high, 3 o'clock. others around noon on modern setting. And I did my tubeswapping also, now I have V1: Telefunken 12AX7, V2: Svetlana C 12AX7, V3: Mesa 12AX7, V4: Tungsol 12AX7, V5: JJ 12AX7 and V6: Tungsol 12AX7. That made much difference comparing to Mesa's original tubes.. and Stereo2:Fifty is loaded with Svetlana C 6L6's.

I bought one used for 800€, which I think is great price here. In Europe these costs 1800€ new. :evil:

The other guitarist in our band had Engl E530 same time with Recto and it was very dull sounding. But here it's 479€ new, so Recto should be much better. =D But it should be mentioned that Engl Thunder head I tried for one evening was very good for it's price (500€ used). Very good heavy sound.
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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by RectoStudioGuy » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:43 am

The High Gain tube-set from Dougs did wonders for mine.
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LD Ch. Studio Pre (MkII C+)
RH Ch. Recto Pre
G-Major
50/50
Pair of 2X12's (Swamp Thangs on Closed Back V30's on Ported)
...some other stuff of course


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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by vipmetal » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:14 pm

Do you guys have any tips for overdrive pedals over clean channel on Recto Preamp?

I'm thinking of buying Roctron Patchmate 8 looper and I'm looking for a nice overdriven tones other than Recto. I already have now BB Preamp, EH Nano booster and Marshall Guv'nor. Do you have any thoughts of Radial Tonebone Hot British pedal? Would it give better Marshall tone?
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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by RectoStudioGuy » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:50 pm

That's a pretty open-ended question as it really depends on what you're looking for specifically. Custom Audio Electronics makes a pretty cool boost/overdrive that sounds good, Humphrey Audio Mods is another I like alot. Of course Analogman and Robert Keely make great tube screamers. But if you're looking for Marshall tone why not just get a JMP-1? They're fairly inexpensive these days, sound great, and easy to use.
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#6 of 14 '91 PRS
LD Ch. Studio Pre (MkII C+)
RH Ch. Recto Pre
G-Major
50/50
Pair of 2X12's (Swamp Thangs on Closed Back V30's on Ported)
...some other stuff of course


"A ton of tone. Sure it's heavy...it's a ton"

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by vipmetal » Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:37 am

I had JMP-1 for years until I sold it for Recto Pre. I'm still thinking about whether to use multiple preamps in my rack, but there's side effect that rack gets bigger and bigger... with a looper&pedalshelf it would be only 8 units big. I had to carry it myself around. JMP-1 was good for that Marshall tone and I regret for selling it. First, I have to buy that looper and test with different pedals on clean channel of Recto Pre.
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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by RectoStudioGuy » Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:53 pm

I use multiple pre's and a looper system, but you could achieve similar results with multiple pedals w/ one pre via a looper as well. You'll have find a balance to how big of a rig you're willing to deal with as well as complexity versus what you gain from such a system.
Main Rig:
#6 of 14 '91 PRS
LD Ch. Studio Pre (MkII C+)
RH Ch. Recto Pre
G-Major
50/50
Pair of 2X12's (Swamp Thangs on Closed Back V30's on Ported)
...some other stuff of course


"A ton of tone. Sure it's heavy...it's a ton"

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by clemford » Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:45 pm

Is the modern mode on the rectifier amps just to boost the presence or does it actually add low end as well.

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by RectoStudioGuy » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:10 am

Not sure actually...but it does have alot of presence.
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#6 of 14 '91 PRS
LD Ch. Studio Pre (MkII C+)
RH Ch. Recto Pre
G-Major
50/50
Pair of 2X12's (Swamp Thangs on Closed Back V30's on Ported)
...some other stuff of course


"A ton of tone. Sure it's heavy...it's a ton"

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by PUBH » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:51 pm

clemford wrote:Is the modern mode on the rectifier amps just to boost the presence or does it actually add low end as well.
Aside from each mode dramatically altering how the frequency response is handled (ie: advanced EQ)... modern mode in a Rectifier actually induces a reduction in negative feedback. This fundamentally alters the sound, and is more complex than just an EQ change or extra presence. However, this process occurs (when using the LIVE OUTS) prior to the poweramp stage. When you're using the DIRECT OUTS, the circuitry of the Recto Pre attempts to "mimic" the complete sound of a Dual Rectifier (pre+power) sound.

And an excerpt directly from the Recto Pre's manual:
NOTE: The best results will be achieved for this live scenario by using the companion power amp, the Rectifier Stereo 2:100, and connecting the MODERN trigger jack on the Rear Panel of the Rectifier Preamp to the MODERN trigger port on the Rear Panel of the power amp. This scheme recreates the Recto sound in its authentic form because the negative feedback is removed at the power amp when MODERN is selected on the preamp. This tracking of power styles is identical to that which occurs in the Dual & Triple Rectifier Heads and is crucial to the performance of these Lead sounds.

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Re: Recto Recording Preamp

Post by clemford » Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:32 am

Thanks for your reply. I was actually wondering if the lack of negative feedback in the modern mode on the regular heads, not the recto preamp, adds lowered bass response and punch or just extra presence. I assume that the process triggered by the recto preamp to remove the negative feedback in the 2
:100 amp would result in the same sonic response as that in the regular Heads. Not just a simulation. Unless there's something different in the 2:100 versus the Rectifier Heads. I ask because I may spring for an amp down the road. The preamp does however seem to have a modern recto sound when running it through my Tubeworks rt4250. I suppose some of that initial Mesa Rectifier sound must be attributed to the preamp as well as the amp.

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