Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

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Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

Post by Mesa.22 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:19 pm

I'm considering a Fillmore and there's ton of talk (on TGP) of it lacking headroom on the clean setting, even on the 50w version. Players claim it can't keep up with a band and does not have that big glass umph that other 50w amps have.

I'm looking for more discussion/opinions/perspective on this topic (outside of TGP). I played a 50w combo in a store once and did not get this impression, but not in a band setting obviously. I also do not play in sparkly clean mode myself, but rather on the edge of breakup, ala Blackface or tweed style.

I'm torn between the 50 & 25 models after reading up on the lack of headroom claims. I don't gig out much anymore and thinking the 25 head paired with my current 1x12 Thiele cab would be fine. Oh, and I also own a Power Station 2 that could be used if more power was ever needed past the 25 watts.

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Re: Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

Post by jediguitarist » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:29 pm

I really wish they would find another way to measure the perceived volume of a guitar amp. Perhaps list dB at certain distances.

I gig a Mark IV 90% of the time. I also gig a 40W Traynor YCV40 similar to a Hot Rod Deluxe. I don't play crystal clean, and use pedals for the Traynor. Never had a volume issue, but then I've never needed the headroom at least from my experience.

I used a Peavey 5150 2x12 combo for a decade. I thought it was overkill for even the bigger clubs and Atlantic City casino stages. Hell, the Mark IV is overkill but at least I can go class A on that.
I did play through a Supro 25W on a backline gig outdoors and it was more than enough volume. It was a halfback, so that may have had an impact on how "loud" it sounded.


The Fillmore 25 combo has my interest. Wish it wasn't $1599. :lol:

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Re: Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

Post by Mesa.22 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:01 pm

I picked up a 50w head today and can see what people are talking about on low clean volume. If you run the clean mode below 11 o’clock gain you have to dime the master to get it up to stage volume.

Fortunately I rarely play that clean and I don’t play out much anymore so I’m good.

I tired it with a 1x12 Thiele cab and a bassman cab loaded with V30s @ 4 ohms. I like both, but it opens up with the V30 for me.

I also have two Marshall 1965 cabs (4 x 10s) and will try those next. I can run both cabs @ 4 Ohms with the Fillmore.

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Re: Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

Post by jediguitarist » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:19 am

That's interesting about the Master. I would actually like it if all amps worked the same way. The Boogie stuff I have has that 5% to 95% volume jump from 2.5 to 3.0 :lol:

Buddy of mine had the Marshall 4x10. He played an ampeg head through it and I thought it sounded sweet. I'd like to hear it with the Fillmore

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Re: Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

Post by Mesa.22 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:39 pm

jediguitarist wrote:That's interesting about the Master. I would actually like it if all amps worked the same way. The Boogie stuff I have has that 5% to 95% volume jump from 2.5 to 3.0 :lol:

Buddy of mine had the Marshall 4x10. He played an ampeg head through it and I thought it sounded sweet. I'd like to hear it with the Fillmore
>.5% to 95% volume jump

yeah, I always run a vol pedal in the loop of my Sutdio .22+ for this exact reason. It gives me the taper missing on the Mesa volume knobs.

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Re: Mesa Fillmore - Claims it lacks volume/headroom

Post by bandit2013 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:30 am

Not sure how this relates.... is this claim on the combo or the head? Also since this is a different of different design, the question comes to mind about impedance matching. I do not have the Fillmore but I do have the Cali tweed combo. Running the 8 ohm load is ok with either the single speaker of the combo or 212 cab at 8 ohms. However things definitely change for the better when the amp is loaded with a 4 ohm load (two 8 ohm loads in parallel). Just curious if the Fillmore responds similarly running a 4 ohm load vs 8 ohm load. Just a thought.

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