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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:47 pm 
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I was hoping someone out there would have an opinion on finding a John Sykes tone with my
Heartbreaker. I'm speaking specifically Thin Lizzy John Sykes ( Thunder and Lightning era) and solo recordings. I'm aware in Lizzy he used Marshall's, but used Boogies later to get a similar, if not higher gain tone. John used 2 Mesa Boogie Coliseum heads, these amps have a Mark III pre-amp section but use six 6L6 power tubes from what I've read (I am also using 6L6's in my Heartbreaker) he also used Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+'s, Mark III's. If you would have any suggestion of what settings would approximate his, it'd be appreciated
Also I would like do this without adding any pedal to the signal chain.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:35 am 
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JohnFox wrote:
Hello
I was hoping someone out there would have an opinion on finding a John Sykes tone with my
Heartbreaker. I'm speaking specifically Thin Lizzy John Sykes ( Thunder and Lightning era) and solo recordings. I'm aware in Lizzy he used Marshall's, but used Boogies later to get a similar, if not higher gain tone. John used 2 Mesa Boogie Coliseum heads, these amps have a Mark III pre-amp section but use six 6L6 power tubes from what I've read (I am also using 6L6's in my Heartbreaker) he also used Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+'s, Mark III's. If you would have any suggestion of what settings would approximate his, it'd be appreciated
Also I would like do this without adding any pedal to the signal chain.

Thank you

Have you tried EL34's? Here's a link to Heartbreaker demo using El34's. He also does a brief run through of the settings. The heartbreaker has a fairly steep learning curve. I wish I could be more help but I've not spent the time to fully utilize its capabilities. Hopefully something on this demo (probably last 3 or 4 minutes) will bring you closer to the sound you're looking for.

https://youtu.be/cZeQHaAMKyc


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:55 pm 
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Hey Buster Leggs, Thanks for replying :)
I kind of would like to stick to the 6L6's in there ( its a hold over from playing a '76 Twin for so many years)
I watched the whole video front to back, and it is a good general starting point for sure. If anyone eles has any other thoughts it's be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:01 pm 
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One of the biggest guitar sounds I've ever heard. Massive harmonic content. This is Blue Murder in '89. He's using Marshall here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsXr43nBCdc


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:38 pm 
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wildschwein wrote:
One of the biggest guitar sounds I've ever heard. Massive harmonic content. This is Blue Murder in '89. He's using Marshall here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsXr43nBCdc


I know he's gotten the same kind of sound from his Boogies, now just to find a way to get my Heartbreaker to match it, any suggestions anyone?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:58 pm 
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JohnFox wrote:
Hey Buster Leggs, Thanks for replying :)
I kind of would like to stick to the 6L6's in there ( its a hold over from playing a '76 Twin for so many years)
I watched the whole video front to back, and it is a good general starting point for sure. If anyone eles has any other thoughts it's be appreciated.


I hear ya I'm fond of 6L6's myself, just not in the heartbreaker . I think the closest you'll get to that John Sykes in Thin Lizzy sound is with el34 s. The heartbreaker is somewhat dark. I don't see that tone happening with setting adjustments. I have heard some mods to the heartbreaker that took it to a whole new level. Experimenting with speaker changes would also take it to a different place. Here's a clip of John Sykes doing Still of the Night in 95. Does anybody know what he's using here? I'm guessing Mark 3 coliseum's but I could be wrong. Either way I love that tone. I heard a modded Heartbreaker that was closer to this John Sykes tone in 95 then a stock Heartbreaker. Anyway good luck on your tone Quest the link below is the version of Still of the Night.
https://youtu.be/cWn_p0jxGMs


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:25 pm 
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Buster Leggs wrote:
JohnFox wrote:
Hey Buster Leggs, Thanks for replying :)
I kind of would like to stick to the 6L6's in there ( its a hold over from playing a '76 Twin for so many years)
I watched the whole video front to back, and it is a good general starting point for sure. If anyone eles has any other thoughts it's be appreciated.


I hear ya I'm fond of 6L6's myself, just not in the heartbreaker . I think the closest you'll get to that John Sykes in Thin Lizzy sound is with el34 s. The heartbreaker is somewhat dark. I don't see that tone happening with setting adjustments. I have heard some mods to the heartbreaker that took it to a whole new level. Experimenting with speaker changes would also take it to a different place. Here's a clip of John Sykes doing Still of the Night in 95. Does anybody know what he's using here? I'm guessing Mark 3 coliseum's but I could be wrong. Either way I love that tone. I heard a modded Heartbreaker that was closer to this John Sykes tone in 95 then a stock Heartbreaker. Anyway good luck on your tone Quest the link below is the version of Still of the Night.
https://youtu.be/cWn_p0jxGMs



appreciate the info and input Buster, maybe i go a different route and try a treble booster ( ala Rory Gallager) or even a tube driver ( BK Butler style)


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:22 am 
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Buster Leggs wrote:
JohnFox wrote:
Hey Buster Leggs, Thanks for replying :)
I kind of would like to stick to the 6L6's in there ( its a hold over from playing a '76 Twin for so many years)
I watched the whole video front to back, and it is a good general starting point for sure. If anyone eles has any other thoughts it's be appreciated.


I hear ya I'm fond of 6L6's myself, just not in the heartbreaker . I think the closest you'll get to that John Sykes in Thin Lizzy sound is with el34 s. The heartbreaker is somewhat dark. I don't see that tone happening with setting adjustments. I have heard some mods to the heartbreaker that took it to a whole new level. Experimenting with speaker changes would also take it to a different place. Here's a clip of John Sykes doing Still of the Night in 95. Does anybody know what he's using here? I'm guessing Mark 3 coliseum's but I could be wrong. Either way I love that tone. I heard a modded Heartbreaker that was closer to this John Sykes tone in 95 then a stock Heartbreaker. Anyway good luck on your tone Quest the link below is the version of Still of the Night.
https://youtu.be/cWn_p0jxGMs


I see Mesa cabs in this vid -- can't see the heads/racks though. Another tool in his signal path is the Gibson Dirty Fingers pickup in the bridge. These were wound to about 20k and hit the front end very hard.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:46 am 
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wildschwein wrote:
Buster Leggs wrote:
JohnFox wrote:
Hey Buster Leggs, Thanks for replying :)
I kind of would like to stick to the 6L6's in there ( its a hold over from playing a '76 Twin for so many years)
I watched the whole video front to back, and it is a good general starting point for sure. If anyone eles has any other thoughts it's be appreciated.


I hear ya I'm fond of 6L6's myself, just not in the heartbreaker . I think the closest you'll get to that John Sykes in Thin Lizzy sound is with el34 s. The heartbreaker is somewhat dark. I don't see that tone happening with setting adjustments. I have heard some mods to the heartbreaker that took it to a whole new level. Experimenting with speaker changes would also take it to a different place. Here's a clip of John Sykes doing Still of the Night in 95. Does anybody know what he's using here? I'm guessing Mark 3 coliseum's but I could be wrong. Either way I love that tone. I heard a modded Heartbreaker that was closer to this John Sykes tone in 95 then a stock Heartbreaker. Anyway good luck on your tone Quest the link below is the version of Still of the Night.
https://youtu.be/cWn_p0jxGMs


I see Mesa cabs in this vid -- can't see the heads/racks though. Another tool in his signal path is the Gibson Dirty Fingers pickup in the bridge. These were wound to about 20-20k and hit the front end very hard.
I'm using a DiMarzio Steve Morse in the bridge which is a pretty hot pickup, so I think i got that end covered pretty good
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