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 Post subject: Re: Organic Timbre
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:54 pm 
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Triple Recto

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Another plus with the OTR speaker, it sounds great with the TC-100. Still like the Vertical 212 cab though. But for a downsized 112 format the OTR sounds good with the TC-100. Not sure why I never tried it when I had the speaker in the cab the first time around. I did give the TC-100 a go at the EVM12L Black Label, that was missing something in the tone. OTR is much better. Even tried the EVM12L classic, seems to be the same speaker as the black label. I will have to try the combination of the EV and OTR with the TC-100. It sounds epic with the JP-2C. So tempting to pull the V30's out of the horizontal 212 cab and try the OTR + EV but I do not think the #8-32 studs will be long enough to get the nut onto the threads. That was the issue I had with the OS Recto 412 cab, could not get the nuts on the threads due to the thicker frame and lack of gasket compression.

So tempted to get one of the mini recto 112s and stuff this speaker into it. Not sure it will fit due to the side handles. If I do get one, I could always use the Redback as that is a direct drop in for the V30 speaker.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic Timbre
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:42 am 
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an update, unfortunately I have not had the time to do the EV - OTR comparison yet. I did get some video recorded but the project was overloaded since I was trying to make it comprehensive to include the MC90, EV black label, EV classic, Celestion Redback, and the OTR. I got sick and tired of trying to play the same or similar by the time I got to the OTR I had lost all interest on doing any work with the video content. I did not want to make a 2 hour video. I am not getting paid for this experiment so there was no incentive to continue.

However, I will be getting back into the swing of things with the EV classic and OTR speaker but will limit it to just the Mark V combo amp. I am at a toss up between the EV classic and the OTR. Both have some great sounds with a Mark series amp. Both speakers still need to be broken in but may just work on something in the near future as they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic Timbre
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:42 am 
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I thought about doing the comparison video or just a recording on sound cloud yesterday. I generally do not run the Mark V as much these days. I still have the EVM12L black label in the Mark V combo and the OTR in the widebody extension cab. It really does not make much of a difference if it is in the combo or in the extension cab. With the OTR speaker closer to the floor, the top end disappears from the cabinet with the OTR speaker. Raise it up off of the floor (say on top of another cabinet to decouple the speaker from the floor improves the overall tone). When raised off the floor the OTR has the full range very much like the EV speaker. On the floor it looses the treble frequencies. Quite odd this is happening. Perhaps it is a reduction in the low end that is allowing the higher frequencies to emerge. Sure the EV gets much brighter too when raised but retains the bottom end more than the OTR speaker. Despite the flat response curve of the EV speaker I feel it sounds better by itself or paired up with another speaker or another EV. Still there is one thing the OTR has over the EV is improved midrange and when paired up with the EV you get more of a full spectrum of tone and do not feel the overall character is missing something. I still have not attempted to swap out two EV speakers from my refurbished OS Recto 412 but when I do I will replace two with the pair of OTR speaker I have. A quad of EV's in the OS Recto cab sounds great especially with the JP-2C, Roadster, or Mark V. It does not sound great with the Royal Atlantic or the Triple Crown (50 or 100). That is where the OTR will help the overall tone of the 412 cabinet. Perhaps run them on the top and the EV on the bottom. Had considered an X pattern but would rather keep the OTR on the top row. There is no difference on the bottom end response with the OTR and EV. There is a difference in the top end where I find the EV to be extremely bright if you push it hard. The addition of the midrange and slight roll off of the top end frequencies would improve the 412 tone so all amps that I have would benefit. In short, I had been quite sick for a while and finally getting my strength back. I may find time to make a comparative video between the EV classic and the OTR since they have about the same amount of use. The Black Label EV is identical to the EV classic in tone and I cannot tell the difference. I am also planning on getting another EV classic to install into the widebody extension cab. The black Label speakers that are not in the 412 cab I had bought used. Since they lack the EV logo on the dust cap, I would almost assume they were re-coned. They basically sound the same as the ones I had bought new. For all intensive purposes, if you are on the market for new speakers and think you want the Black Label because Zakk Wylde uses them, they do not have is name on it and I do not think you get the ZW flag (or is that a bandana?) They come in the plain-Jane EV box (the commemorative black label box is probably no longer available). Get the EV classic and save on some money. They are essentially the same thing if you buy them new. Back in the 90's, I had one EV classic, it was a bit different than the Classic I recently bought.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic Timbre
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:28 pm 
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Well now.... a few things have changed. I guess it is back on with the OTR speaker and the Mark V combo. Made a small minor change to the amp that needed something a bit different that what the EV was providing. Sounded great but figured I would hold off on installing the OTR in the 412 cab and take another swing with it in the Mark V combo. OMG it sounds great, and while it is on the floor too. Since I keep bouncing back and forth with this and with that, I could be going out of my mind. If that was the case, I lost it long ago. A bright amp with some aggressive character works great. A dark amp with aggressive character seems to require more presence and treble to yield good results or lift it off the floor. A blend of the OTR and EV seems to be a solution for all of my amps. For now, the Mark V is performing quite well with just the OTR speaker.


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