what are the fillmore speakers?

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what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by dmcguitar » Mon May 25, 2009 8:00 am

I did a quick search and found no resolution, so im gonna ask :)

the 2009 price guide says that there are celestion C90/V30 and Fillmore C90/V30 are there any differences, are they completely different manufactures... if so who is fillmore, and why aren't they prevalent now? (all i know of is clestion, eminences, and EV.. oh and a bunch of small little botique speaker places that make copies)

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by dodger916 » Mon May 25, 2009 9:44 am

I can't speak to the diferences, but I'm guessing the "Fillmore" model relates to the concert halls of the 60's and early 70's, namely the Fillmore East and West. (they've been closed for some time.) This model probably has a feel and sound reminiscent of the period when the Fillmores were THE place to see concerts performed by the classic bands of my youth!

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by mikey383 » Mon May 25, 2009 6:19 pm

I recall seeing something about the Fillmore speakers somewhere, but I can't remember where, and I don't recall what it was about. All I can remember is that I heard of them...lol

I'm sure it didn't have to do with the Fillmore theaters.
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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by Charles Reeder » Wed May 27, 2009 2:40 pm

Hi gang:
Can I speculate?
I remember the first ads I saw for the Lonestar amps. They were touted as having specially designed 'Filmore' speakers in them. This was way before I ever saw or heard a Lonestar. I think the 'speculation' made by one poster above is correct; that the 'Filmore speaker' was supposed to sound something like the speakers 'USUALLY' encountered at the 'Filmore'.
With bands of the ilk of the Jefferson Airplane, Big Brothere and the Holding Company (etc.) the predominant amps were Fender Twins WITH JBL speakers.
I think the original intent of Mesa was to produce an amp and speaker combination which would draw from that 'sound lineage'.
Somewhere along the way from development to final production they 'went astray' of that goal.
The end result was that channel-2 was 'muddied up' and a 'dark-sounding speaker' (the C90) was incorporated into production amps.
A fellow poster (BobL) has mentioned his speaker search which ended in his recommendation of Weber California speakers (with the aluminum dust cap) and original JBLs. I wholeheartedly concur with his choices. I have made similar tryouts and have found that his speaker choices result in a sound that reminds me of the halcion 'Filmore Days'!
I wish Mesa would 'unveil the 'Filmore speaker'. Knowing their expertise; it was probably a really good speaker!
I think a 'marketting decision' (wanting to appeal to a broader base of potential buyers) resulted in the 'bumping' of the 'Filmore' speaker and the 'muddied gain' of channel-2 (as issued stock).
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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by plan-x » Wed May 27, 2009 2:54 pm

dmcguitar wrote:I did a quick search and found no resolution, so im gonna ask :)

the 2009 price guide says that there are celestion C90/V30 and Fillmore C90/V30 are there any differences, are they completely different manufactures... if so who is fillmore,
Not sure if anyone answered this, but I'm curious. Check out the link.

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/ ... akers.html

Sure enough, there are 2 distinct C-90's.
Fillmore 25 head
Lonestar Classic (LSC) 2x12
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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by dmcguitar » Wed May 27, 2009 4:57 pm

Nope, the jury is still out on this one. I've googled Fillmore speakers, and i wind up right back at my post ahahhahha.

there were earlier lonestar posts, and one mentioned that mesa was going to switch to fillmore from celestion because celestion was going chinese. I can't find any evidence to support of refute this.

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by YellowJacket » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:07 pm

I wouldn't be posting in a 4 year old thread except that this http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/ ... tml#gpm1_5 was just announced on MB's website.

Fillmore speakers? They really don't want us to know where they get their OEM parts from, do they?

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by jpage » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:01 am

I believe the Fillmore speakers were supposed to be released with the orig LSC, but never came. The owners manual mentions them, but the amps all shipped with C90s. Interesting they are again touting this strangely mythical speaker with the RV25...

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by DannyB_KY » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:43 am

A lot of Marshalls rolled through the Filmores...... :wink: still have my original "Humble Pie Live at the Filmore" album from the early 70s...
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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by screamingdaisy » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:47 am

What I think I know about this subject is that Fillmore is Boogie's in-house label. So far as I know they do build their Powerhouse line of bass speakers in house and the idea was to expand production to guitar speakers as well. No idea if this was Boogies actual plan or if it's what the internet machine thought they were going to do.

On the other hand, I know they've been prototyping speakers with other manufacturers. I've talked with a guy who used to work for WGS who said they made a bunch for Boogie but weren't able to achieve whatever it was they were looking for.

The new Fillmore FM75 is apparently being made by Eminence, which I suppose crushes the idea that Fillmore speakers were going to be made in-house. Or maybe Boogie tried but wasn't able to capture what they wanted either and decided to seek outside expertise.

Who knows? I know I don't.
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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by jpage » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:56 am

Odd they are "introducing" these about a decade after they included them in the Lonestar owners manual.

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by YellowJacket » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:46 am

I guess they didn't think it would take 9 years to complete the speaker R&D project. Listening to the Rectoverb 25 clips, you can really hear how the speaker doesn't sound fizzy at all. It's actually kind of bizarre since I'm not used to hearing something like that come from a guitar.

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by jpage » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:23 am

In my experience, "warm" tones can be difficult to work with in a band mix. Sound great by themselves at lower volumes, but once an amp gets to the level where it starts to naturally compress AND then add drums and bass...

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Re: what are the fillmore speakers?

Post by Authorized Boogie » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:29 pm

screamingdaisy wrote:What I think I know about this subject is that Fillmore is Boogie's in-house label. So far as I know they do build their Powerhouse line of bass speakers in house and the idea was to expand production to guitar speakers as well. No idea if this was Boogies actual plan or if it's what the internet machine thought they were going to do.

On the other hand, I know they've been prototyping speakers with other manufacturers. I've talked with a guy who used to work for WGS who said they made a bunch for Boogie but weren't able to achieve whatever it was they were looking for.

The new Fillmore FM75 is apparently being made by Eminence, which I suppose crushes the idea that Fillmore speakers were going to be made in-house. Or maybe Boogie tried but wasn't able to capture what they wanted either and decided to seek outside expertise.

Who knows? I know I don't.
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