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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:48 pm 
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Ordered another Vertical 212 cab so I can use two or just one with the JP-2C. Since I also have the TC-50 why not get another vertical 212. Easier to manage, move around, pick up with two hands than the horizontal 212 cab. I have all the bases covered. 412, 212, and 112 so I can mix and match how ever it suits me.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:22 am 
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Wow, it has been just a little over a year now since I got the JP-2C. I am still using the Stock power tubes that came in the amp. Mind you I did not use the amp every day as I have others to distract me too. I did have to swap preamp tubes as I had a few noisy one's and finally got around to getting new ones along with a full set of power tubes. I did notice the amp is not as bright as it was, it sounds dark and sinister but does brighten up with reduced gain settings or reduction in guitar volume. Perhaps it is time to swap power tubes. Original tubes are still quite bold on the bottom end so I may continue to use them a bit more. I could always install those in the Mark V and use the Green color coded quads I had on hand or go with the yellow color coded tubes that are new in box. (got those for the Roadster as I like those in that amp for some reason). I have no desires to go non Mesa tubes yet and will hold off on that until the warranty expires. Amp sound awesome so why change?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:42 pm 
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I have twins..... How cool is that. I will have to compare the two vertical 212 to the one OS Recto 412 and then the combination of one Vert 212 and the Horizontal 212. So far the most aggressive tone yet came from the Vertical and Horizontal 212 cabs combined. I did play though the new cab at lunch today after I unboxed it. Also had a bag of candy to munch on when I got back to work today. (I admit, it is the bit-o-honey that keeps me going back to Sweetwater, not exactly true... )

Benefit of two cabs, you can spread them out. Okay running two 412s may be the ideal as I have three of those. If I ever get another 412 it would have to be the straight cab to match the other one.

The punch I have experienced from the two Vertical 212 is so unreal :shock: . I was thinking about swapping in new tubes, not at this time. Awesome when a thought comes into reality and it pans out. :P

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:42 am 
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bandit2013 wrote:
I have twins..... How cool is that. I will have to compare the two vertical 212 to the one OS Recto 412 and then the combination of one Vert 212 and the Horizontal 212. So far the most aggressive tone yet came from the Vertical and Horizontal 212 cabs combined. I did play though the new cab at lunch today after I unboxed it. Also had a bag of candy to munch on when I got back to work today. (I admit, it is the bit-o-honey that keeps me going back to Sweetwater, not exactly true... )

Benefit of two cabs, you can spread them out. Okay running two 412s may be the ideal as I have three of those. If I ever get another 412 it would have to be the straight cab to match the other one.

The punch I have experienced from the two Vertical 212 is so unreal :shock: . I was thinking about swapping in new tubes, not at this time. Awesome when a thought comes into reality and it pans out. :P


Wahoo!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:23 am 
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Now I have an idea, how will two 412 cabs sound compared to the two Vertical cabs. I have enjoyed the Mark V running two 412 cabs on many occasions. It has been a while since I have used any of the 412 cabs. If and when I spend any more money, it will have to be for a straight 412 cab to match the salt and pepper grill on the other one for a full stack, if the straight has the bottom punch that the 212 cabs have. I could always run the horizontal cab with the slant front 412 cab. the 412 should fit on top of the 212 cab as they have the same footprint. 6 cones vs 4 would be interesting.

Here is the cab line up at my disposal:
2015 OS Recto 412 slant front cab to match the RA100 (stock speakers)
2000 OS Recto 412 slant front cab (all black) loaded with EVM12L black label
2014 Egnator traditional sized slant front 412 cab loaded with Celestion Creamback G12H-75 (thinking of swapping two with the MC90)
2016 Recto Vertical 212 cab (stock)
2016 Recto Horizontal 212 cab, standard size (stock)
2017 Recto Vertical 212 cab (stock)
2017 Compact 1x12 open back wide body (loaded with Organic Timbre Rhapsody G12F speaker)
2014 (forgot where I got it ) deep 1x12 cab with EVM12L black label.

I can also drive the RA100 combo speakers with any amp using an extension cable as this has two of the Creamback 75's in it and is open or partially open back. Actually sounds damn good with the TC-50. I can also do the same with the Mark V combo.

All I need now is the straight 412 cab (it that is where the money is at for the bottom bark with a little bite on the side).

So far the two Vertical 212 cabs have plenty of bit and so much punch, actually it is more like a kick as it really hits hard. The Vert and Horizontal mix also sounds awesome. If you have the Vert and Horizontal 212 cabs I would highly recommend trying them with the JP at the same time. That is insane :P Two verts is at the same level but with more bite. :x

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:39 pm 
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Image of the speaker closet...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/159449305 ... 353762271/

I played the JP-2C through a few combinations, either one cab by itself or paired with another. IMHO, the vertical 212's win. The Horizontal 212 is also a great cab and has a very similar tone. I have been trying to down size a bit and found the 212 cabs seem to fill the best of both worlds. Lighter weight, smaller package and yet sound larger than they are. Long before the JP-2C entered my life, I would have thought the 212 cabs could never compete with the 412 cab. Believe it.

There is also a huge tone difference between the vertical 212 and the OS Recto 412. The 412 seems to be all midrange and upper frequencies with some bottom end that is subdued. They are not bad cabs after all. The smaller 212 cabs seem to offer better tonal balance and are not dominated by midrange, tope end or bottom end. Even the Vertical 212 with the one speaker angled upward dose not have the same effect as the slant front 412 cabinet. What does work with the 412 cab is to run it with a Thiele cab to extend the bottom end a bit (I have used the small deep 1x12 with an EV speaker in it for that same effect (under the vert 212 cab on the left). Running two of the 212 cabs in parallel is ideal. I had considered a second Horizontal cab but opted for the Vertical as I like that one in particular for use with the TC-50 and the JP-2C. Mark V is okay and sounds great too but since mine is a combo I keep it on the floor or place it on top of the Horizontal 212. For some reason, the 412 cabs do not thrill me as much. The 212 cabs sound huge relative to their smaller size. I still like the 412 cabs so do not get me wrong on this.

My preference though is for the Vertical 212. Bass player and your sound person will hate you but damn it sounds so awesome running two of them or even one by itself. Seems that when you combine the 212 cabs with other formats (112 or 412) the tone just gets brighter and you loose that thump and punch with chugging or plam muting. The stock OS Recto 412 cab is great but may sound a bit tin like with the palm muting. Sure running two 412 cabs may be nirvana but it will not get as close to the two Vertical 212 cabs. The small 1x12 cab on top of the Vertical 212 on the right is the wide body open back loaded with an OTR speaker. Since I wanted to use it with the JP-2C I felt the MC90 was not suitable. However the MC90 sounded excellent in the cab prior to its removal. I was impressed with the performance I got with the Mark V with the stock speaker installed in the extension cab. I wanted to give the OTR a try with the JP-2C and so far it is rewarding, a bit darker in tone. It pairs up quite well with the Mark V combo I have loaded with the OTR speaker so if I do not ever use it with the JP-2C it sounds great with the Mark V combo. The EV loaded 412 cab I normally use with the Roadster. The salt and pepper grilled 412 was borrowed from my RA100 Rig. I doubt I will get any more speaker cabs as I have plenty to chose from. About lifting the 412 onto the horizontal 212, that I was able to manage by myself. However If I had to lift the other 412 loaded with the EV speakers, not possible. that one is extremely heavy compared to the newer 412 cab. I am happy I never went after a full stack as I would want to stack the cabs. May look cool by may require a step ladder to get to the rear of the amp to hook things up and to dial in your tone. With the one 412 on top of the horizontal 212 cab the amp was at eye level. I am 6ft tall. It would have been a bit shorter if I took of the casters but wanted to take things down when I was done with trying the speaker combinations out. I did not record anything this time.

Anyone deciding on getting the JP-2C, TC-50 or the Mark V should really consider the Vetical 212 cabinet. It is a bit expensive and almost cost as much as the slant front OS Recto 412 cab but it has a bigger sound, lighter in weight and easier on the back.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:13 am 
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I figured out how to get the flicker picture on the thread without having to jump off-site. Cool....


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:06 pm 
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Love the updates.

That's a great cab lineup. I also love the green PRS. Great color.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:36 am 
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It may look like a PRS, it is not. I have 10 guitars but most are in their cases. What is in the picture is a Carvin CT624C (mahogany body set neck, royal ebony board, jumbo frets, thick quilted maple top in Deep moss green. ) The other is a Keisel DC600. Carvin guitars changed their name back to Kiesel which as the original business name from the start. Same company just different name. They were associated to Carvin audio (amps, mixers and sound reinforcement) but they split from each other a few years ago and went in separate directions.

Here is a link to what different options looks like.

https://www.kieselguitars.com/guitargallery/ct624

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