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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:12 pm 
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So now that you've fully put it through it's paces, would you describe it as a modern high gain Marshall-ish amp?

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:48 pm 
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Well, not having ever owned a Marshall, and not having played through one in a very long time, I'd still say yes. In this case, I am using the fact that it has a heavily saturated midrange as a guide. To me, the other Mesa amps either have a really clean/scooped midrange or a super-gravelly midrange. RA100 and Dyne fit in between those nicely.

I can get my RA100 to sound very much like my Shiva, which is supposed to be a better JCM800. It's not as brown as a DSL, but it is very complex and pleasing. Adding an OD808 with just a touch of gain really accentuates the mid complexity and tightens the lows.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:50 pm 
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Elvis,

I have one thing to say regarding the lack of a boost. I've yet to find any amp that had a boost, that I didn't prefer a pedal to the built in boost. The reason is simple. I usually want to add some character to my boost. Depending on the base tone I'm using, I either want a mid boost, or maybe a mid/treble boost with a bass cut, etc. I don't just want a simple volume boost, which most "in amp" boost features are. Usually they add bass, which is normally the last thing I want for solos. With a pedal or two, I can add some zing, or some smooth/fat or whatever I want. I know you know all this... I know some guys just want to get away from having any pedals for gain or boost. Personally, I love to add some flavor to solo boosts.

Current favs: SHO clone, Timmy, Barber Gain Changer, Fulltone 69, and OCD.


Fair enough. For me, I like a perfectly clean boost, and I'll control tone via channel and pedal selection. I can kick on boost and OD808 with one button via my G System.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:53 pm 
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I was going to suggest dropping the treble. Almost such that it points at the mid range control. The treble does not really add much but when dropped it cures the ice pick of the Lo mode. Bass, almost the same thing, point it at mid range control (or almost at it). Use the Mid to dial in your tone as it serves as mid and treble and alters the gain characteristic. The gain setting also seems to add presence to the mix. As for power tubes, that will make a huge difference in you overall sound. I prefer the SED EL34 in this amp but they are very hard to come by and if you find some they will be expensive. I found the Mesa (which are same as EH EL34) to be very bright but you can dial in a decent sound with them. Tung Sol EL34B will have a bit more bottom end and will be much louder. Mullard EL34 are very potent in the mids and top end and seem difficult to control the gain with the Hi/Lo settings. Right now I am running the Mesa EL34 and so far I am enjoying the experience. What I have not tried in this amp: 6CA7's. That would prove to be interesting when I get around to finding a good set. For a while, I was using SED 6L6GC. That is very impressive tonal bliss. I can get some similar tones from the RA100 with 6L6 as I get with the Roadster or Mark V. However, the overall tone of the RA100 is more midrange, it still sounds like I am running EL34's but with more depth on the floor. I have tried the Mesa 6L6GC-str440 and was not impressed with those tubes in the RA100. Those had that blanket over the cab tone. They are perfect for the Roadster, okay for the Mark V. I actually prefer the EL34 type tubes in the RA100. Have you tried using the clean channel as a moderate gain channel. Boost the gain control, drop the bass a bit and push up the treble. It may also help to use the multi-soak set to -4dB. If you want vintage tone that is crunchy you can get that on the clean channel. Note: does not work well with 6L6 power tubes but it is not all that bad.

I also am using a Mesa OS Recto slant 412 cab loaded with V30 and could not be happier. For a short time I did have an old Recto cab loaded with EVM12L BL but that was way too dark, especially with the clean channel. I did restore the old 412 cab back to original, so what is more exciting is running a full stack equivalent. There will be some roll off of the high frequencies and upper harmonics that cause the ice pick effect.


Very interesting. I kind of would like to experiment with power tubes, but if I pay for the really good ones, I will just eat them up anyway. I drive the heck out of them on this amp.

For tone controls, I agree, but I prefer the Treble at 10:30. I like to have a bit of top end. Though I may try dropping the treble and bringing up the mids a bit. If that gives me a bit more mid harmonic complexity and fills in the top, I'm sure I'll dig it.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:38 pm 
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I was just meaning that, while it's a nice feature, a built in boost is not a big one that I miss in the amps that don't have it because I prefer adding something to my boost anyway. If you like a flat boost in level, then it would become a really important nice and often used feature.

I have one in my PRS 2 Channel Custom 50. I thought it was going to be great and I'd use it instead of a pedal. It has adjustable level and everything, so it can be very useful. I still just prefer a pedal that I can tune to what I want. Another funny thing, it adds some bottom end, even though it's a flat level boost per PRS. I've always had the same issue with my Barber Launch Pad. It is (measurably) a FLAT boost, yet it adds bottom end on almost every amp I've tried it with. With many amps it was my "leave it on all the time" pedal because cooking V1 a little made them all sound better. And the added bottom came in handy with many. But it's always hit me funny that somehow, honest flat boost pedals add some bass and treble with many amps. I assume it has to do with the pushing of V1 or something. But, I use that more for setting a base tone, than for solos where I do not want more bass.

Anyway, just comparing notes here. No right or wrong. If you like a flat boost, the amps that have them with adjustable levels are a really nice feature.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:03 pm 
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Once you get some time on the amp, you may find the tubes will last much longer in this amp compared to the Mark V.
I am not quite sure how hot the tubes are biased in the RA100, but I doubt they are running as hot as they do in the Mark V.

I was considering putting the SED (aka =C=) EL34 back in as they are not as harsh as the Mesa or other tubes from New Sensor (tung sol, mallard, eh, etc...) Too bad Svetlana =C= is not producing consumer tubes any more. When the SED EL34 give up their mojo I will have to try something else. I bought a bunch of others just to give them a try, still nothing as satisfying to me as the SED EL34. The SED 6L6GC sound really great too but they were borrowed from my Mark V.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:47 pm 
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Dreamtheaterrules wrote:
I was just meaning that, while it's a nice feature, a built in boost is not a big one that I miss in the amps that don't have it because I prefer adding something to my boost anyway. If you like a flat boost in level, then it would become a really important nice and often used feature.

I have one in my PRS 2 Channel Custom 50. I thought it was going to be great and I'd use it instead of a pedal. It has adjustable level and everything, so it can be very useful. I still just prefer a pedal that I can tune to what I want. Another funny thing, it adds some bottom end, even though it's a flat level boost per PRS. I've always had the same issue with my Barber Launch Pad. It is (measurably) a FLAT boost, yet it adds bottom end on almost every amp I've tried it with. With many amps it was my "leave it on all the time" pedal because cooking V1 a little made them all sound better. And the added bottom came in handy with many. But it's always hit me funny that somehow, honest flat boost pedals add some bass and treble with many amps. I assume it has to do with the pushing of V1 or something. But, I use that more for setting a base tone, than for solos where I do not want more bass.

Anyway, just comparing notes here. No right or wrong. If you like a flat boost, the amps that have them with adjustable levels are a really nice feature.


I agree. Everyone has their preferences. I can definitely see why you would want to add EQ to a boost. I also don't really need boost per se, as I have that built into my G System. But I kind of like the boost built into some amps as well. It just seems like a great function to have if you're going sans pedals.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:49 pm 
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bandit2013 wrote:
Once you get some time on the amp, you may find the tubes will last much longer in this amp compared to the Mark V.
I am not quite sure how hot the tubes are biased in the RA100, but I doubt they are running as hot as they do in the Mark V.

I was considering putting the SED (aka =C=) EL34 back in as they are not as harsh as the Mesa or other tubes from New Sensor (tung sol, mallard, eh, etc...) Too bad Svetlana =C= is not producing consumer tubes any more. When the SED EL34 give up their mojo I will have to try something else. I bought a bunch of others just to give them a try, still nothing as satisfying to me as the SED EL34. The SED 6L6GC sound really great too but they were borrowed from my Mark V.


It will be interesting to see what you settle on.

I drive the power tubes hard, so the bias level is irrelevant. I'm sure I'll eat them.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:18 am 
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I have settled on the SED EL34, problem is, they are hard to come by and considered other variants that would come close. I really do not like much of the others that are in current production. I guess the Tung Sol EL34B would be the suitable option as they are not as harsh in tone as the Mesa, EH, Mullard. At least I have plenty of EL34 type spares to use when the SED EL34 give up. It is possible to roll some preamp tubes to fix some of the harshness of the other tubes. It could be as easy as a change in PI tube.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:00 pm 
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I've been playing my RA100 regularly at home, rehearsals and gigs. I'm using the RA2x12 cab with one V30 and one Creamback 75. I have a G System hooked up and use it a little for post-EQ as well as effects. In the loops of the GS I have a Phase 90 EVH, Micro Vibe, OD808 and BBPre. I just added a TC Sentry. I use a G90 wireless. I play a Tom Anderson Mongrel, PRS SC245 with Cold Sweats, Stock PRS SE Navarro and a J Custom RG20127 through it.

I am happier and happier with the tone, dynamics, power, volume, etc. I am really settling in with this amp. I get a fat bottom, rich mids and lots of top. Last night I wound up dropping the treble slightly at rehearsal (it's been coming off as a bit trebly when I turn it up) and I got exactly where I wanted.

It took a lot of messing with, but the amp is fantastic. I never play my Dyne or Shiva.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
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I think Mesa should take another kick at the cat with an ED/RA type amp. I think they were onto something and just didn't manage to connect with the right market.

Only this time, ditch the simplicity angle; make it a modern Mesa and give it three fully independent channels. Additionally, add a switchable tube gain stage (or two) that can be stacked with any channel... Like a built in tubescreamer, only valve driven. That way it'd have those sweet vintage sounds covered, but also have a Boogie like lead on tap that most people probably expect from a Mesa.

And independent reverb. I really hate the ED's approach.

And if they can give it a switching effects loop and Solo boost without compromising the sound, that'd be a bonus.

And if it catches on, follow it up with an EL84 version in a few years.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:37 pm 
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So, should I sell my Mini Rec and my TA15 and get one? 8)

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Dreamtheaterrules wrote:
So, should I sell my Mini Rec and my TA15 and get one? 8)

I would first find a local guitar shop that has one and try it out before jumping in as it may or may not be to your liking. I guess it depends on what you are after in terms of gain structure and tone, and then consider the weight factor last. Head weighs about 53lbs and the combo is 87lbs. Neither is an easy carry over long distance, at least the combo has side handles which makes a two person carry much easier than the 65lb Mark V combo (mine does not have castors :cry: )

I am still hooked on both my RA100's ( Head and Combo) such that I do not play through the other amps as much. I need to spend more time with the Roadster as that amp is remarkable as well as on my top list. At the moment I am craving a vintage rock tone from the mid to late 70's that has me captivated and the RA100 serves it up perfectly.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:52 pm 
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Dreamtheaterrules wrote:
So, should I sell my Mini Rec and my TA15 and get one? 8)


NEVER sell the Mini Rec. That one's a keeper.

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 Post subject: Re: NAD: Royal Atlantic
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Actually, I think I just decided that tonight.

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