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Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try ...

Post by guitarrhinoceros » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:07 pm

I'll offer some really, really good settings for anyone interested, to use with their RA-100. First off, I should preface this with the fact that I use mainly a stock Gibson SG Standard and a stock Fender Custom Shop Telecaster with this amp. My RA is the combo version. For speakers, it has one Black Shadow and one Vintage 30 in it. I usually run straight to the amp, or I may utilize my pedalboard that has a buffer to help with any tone loss (I'm running eight pedals and don't really notice any difference in tone). Anyways, here are my settings:

Clean

Gain: 1:00
Treble: 2:00
Middle: 10:30-11:00
Bass: 10:30-11:00
Master: where necessary, usually between 10:00 and noon

Hi and Lo

Gain: 1:00
Treble: 1:30-2:00
Middle: 10:30-10:45
Bass: 3:00-3:15
Master: where necessary (usually between 10:00 and 1:00)

I notice I can get a real nice modern rock sound when using these settings dialed in. Sometimes I run the amp at -8db or -4db. Just depends on my mood and how loud I can get things. The attenuation adds a touch of compression and warmth to the overall sound, but just be sure to back off and experiment with your gain settings on the Hi/Lo channel. With how far up I feel one needs to run the bass on the Hi/Lo channel, too much gain and attenuation are recipes for mud and crap tone. Try running with -8db on both channels, while experimenting with the gain between 11 and 1 o'clock. You'll be surprised how tight and crisp your sound is, with nice lows to boot. Seriously, this is the setting that made me fall in love with my RA all over again. It gives you more gain than you'll think and more flexibility with your guitars. The neck pickups on both of my guitars (yes, the Tele AND SG) sound thick and cutting, while bridge offers the ultimate searing and aggressive sounds available. You clean settings may vary of course. Running the gain up to where I have it offers nice added warmth that you can't get out of just the bass knob. If you lay off your attack you can get really nice clarity.

One warning though. These settings are meant to be played LOUD. If you haven't already noticed, the RA is a very huge departure for Mesa. The amp is incredibly "wide open" even though it has a master volume knob. Hence, the need for the attenuators. I played a loud gig without the attenuators (which yields a different and interesting sound altogether) and I could barely push the amp past 10:30. Seriously, the thing is a beast.

Enjoy and do let me know what you think. I won't be offended if you hate the settings. Also, if you have a MXR Flanger, let me know -- I have AMAZING settings for that pedal when coupled with my clean settings. Seriously! Also, I run the amp generally in 100 watts because I like the added clarity and warmth I get. 50 watts is great too, but I tend to dial down the gain on the Hi/Lo channel when running it at this many watts. Keep the Hi/Lo gain anywhere between 11:30-1:00 and you'll be in really good shape. And trust me on the high bass settings -- it really tightens things up nicely on the Hi/Lo channel.

Also, try a OCD out front. You can get a really nice pushed Recto sound (you know, low gain and low mids) from the RA in an instant.

These settings again rocked when I used them in practice today. I'm very happy with my overall sound.

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by inchoates » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:05 pm

Can you post a video of your RA combo with the Black Shadow? I was thinking about doing the same thing to my RA combo.
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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by guitarrhinoceros » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:00 am

inchoates wrote:Can you post a video of your RA combo with the Black Shadow? I was thinking about doing the same thing to my RA combo.
Hey! I teach and am busy this week with parent teaching conference as well, but I will try to put together a scientific comparison of the two speakers this weekend.

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by inchoates » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:12 am

That would be awesome!
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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by bcdon » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:34 am

Thanks! I'll give those settings a try. Man, I wish I could find a place to open up my RA without getting a ticket. :)

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by guitarrhinoceros » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:58 pm

Sorry guys, my weekend was far busier than I expected. When I get a chance to post a side-by-side, I'll PM those interested.

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by inchoates » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:42 am

I'm def interested.
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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by boardn10 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:24 pm

They are fun amps and easy to play. I like forgiving amps. However, I find Mesa makes their amps too loud. My 20th Shiva has a fantastic master, as does my PWE, and much more usable for home and club gigs. Even my Dual Rectifier is better at reasonable volumes due to the BFG modifications I have had done. I wish Mesa would work more on creating an amp like the Electra Dyne or Royal that worked as well as something like the 20th Anniversary amps by Bogner. :(

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by guitarrhinoceros » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:45 pm

boardn10 wrote:They are fun amps and easy to play. I like forgiving amps. However, I find Mesa makes their amps too loud. My 20th Shiva has a fantastic master, as does my PWE, and much more usable for home and club gigs. Even my Dual Rectifier is better at reasonable volumes due to the BFG modifications I have had done. I wish Mesa would work more on creating an amp like the Electra Dyne or Royal that worked as well as something like the 20th Anniversary amps by Bogner. :(
I couldn't disagree more. Mesa's are 50 ad 100 watt amps (for the most part). The attenuators in the Royal Atlantic really aren't meant to give the amp bedroom volumes. The amp is meant to, in my experience, get you more British (and Marshall-esque) crunch at volumes that aren't unbearably loud. If you haven't noticed, the RA-100 is a very loud (louder than most Mesa's) amp. It doesn't utilize all of its gain capabilities in the preamp section, although it does get more distortion from it's preamp than a Marshall amp would. The amp gets super loud and can get nice power tube crunch at loud volumes, but the attenuators help players get that feel and sound from lower (gig-friendly) volumes.

I've never felt that Mesa's are great low volume amps. They are loud beasts and really need to be turned up to get the full effect. Can you get great volumes at lower volumes? Sure, but that is mostly up to what each user deems as being 'good.'

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by boardn10 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:38 pm

I agree. Since I split my playing with mostly home playing, occassional jam sessions and rare bar or club gig, it ended up making the most sense for me to buy an Egnater Mod 50.

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by boardn10 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:23 pm

Looks like the Royal may be my next amp. Just wish it had a solo boost like all my amps. :(

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by JamminJoe » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:27 pm

I've had the RA combo for a week now. Love its warmth and overdrive tones, but for me its tone was missing that high end crispness you get with a presence control. I liked its tone better in the 50 watt mode, so I ordered some greenback speakers to maybe get the perfect tone for my ears. Still haven't gotten the GB's, but what I did try was putting a Dunlop EQ in the loop, and just barely nudging the 4k and 8k tabs got me exactly the tone I wanted. Those adjustments added the presence that was missing. It sounds perfect now in all 3 modes.

I had sold a Bogner Shiva a month earlier, so I was hoping this amp would be an upgrade. The cleans of the Shiva are hard to beat, but the clean on the RA is now very close, with more warmth since I turn the pre-gain up, and the sparkle is now there with the EQ in the loop. Of course, the 2 gain modes on the RA totally clobbers the Shiva's. So I'm really happy now. I also have a Mark V and a Tremoverb, but the RA is the best overall for me.

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by Sukodil » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:39 pm

Congrats on the new amp! Please report back on the greenbacks. I have been toying with this idea because I have been going for a more vintage vibe. I also use the amp in 50 watts unattentuated pretty much exclusively with my band. I have been using a Boss eq in the loop as a clean boost. It works great.

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Post by JamminJoe » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:30 pm

I should get the greenback within a couple of days. I think they're fairly new so I'll run a looper through the amp for several hours to break them in a bit. I'm hoping for extra crunchy tone, and hopefully the bottom end is still there.

I use a DOD FX-10 as a booster - the most clean and linear boost pedal I've tried. Has a nice tone control too - in fact I got the idea to use the EQ in the loop when I noticed I liked the FX10, set to unity and with the tone control up, set to on full time. But I need the boost for solos so I use the Dunlop 10 band as the full time EQ.

I was using the Dunlop EQ as the boost in my Tremoverb loop, but noticed that the FX-10 did a much better job, so I bought another FX-10 for the tremoverb for my bandmate to use.

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Re: Wow, I'm really liking the RA and its playability. Try

Post by NorCal-Mesa » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:47 am

This amp is a in the middle of a Rectifier and a Mark V, its really hard to beat that. And I feel you can get great tones even at 100W at low levels, and if you want Metal just run a clean boost in the front of the amp. I play through a 2 x 12 recto cab with vintage 30 and a celestion K 100. Have any of you guys played with 6L6 tubes in the power section?
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