Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by danyeo1 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:55 am

thunda1216 wrote:do they *really* have "brit tone quest?" maybe they just want a combination of nice usable clean channel and nice overdriven channel. which works for me. if I really wanted "brit" tone, I would have a Marshall. Don't. Don't want one. Borrowed a Silver Jubilee once when my Heartbreaker blew a rectifier tube and was NOT impressed. Cleans=meh. Distortion=meh. NO boost. Blah. One trick pony. That's why I keep coming back to the Mesa.

Then why do they stick "brit" modes on their amps? Why do they mention the term "Brit" in their marketing more times than Robert Plant screams Baby in a Led Zep song? Mesa is the one who prints this garbage not me.
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by danyeo1 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:58 am

Heritage Softail wrote:On the selling point of 3500 for a MKIIC+R:

They would sell. An SLO is a few bucks but there are many out there. I knew the IIC high gain tone to expect when I found my IIC. The clean channel is what was the stunning surprise. Diezel and Bogner are pricey. If Mesa put out a 3 channel version, true to the original and with a modern metal 3rd... That could be the MKVI. The giant killer.

I could sell my Uberschall TJ! When you think about the money people like us spend getting the 3 or so main tones, to hit it flush on all 3 with one quality amp for 4K. That is worth it. Pretty much the idea behind the Bogner Ecstacy 20th anniversary amps.
Funny isn't it how nobody cared about the IIC+ until about 2002 or so when Kirk Hammet and Petrucci started spouting off how great these amps were, then you couldn't find one for less than $2500. I bought one in 1999 for $1400.
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by screamingdaisy » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:16 am

danyeo1 wrote: Funny isn't it how nobody cared about the IIC+ until about 2002 or so when Kirk Hammet and Petrucci started spouting off how great these amps were, then you couldn't find one for less than $2500. I bought one in 1999 for $1400.
Very few people cared about 2 channel Rectifiers until this forum started up and a few people really started generating the pre-500 hype.

Prior to then the only Recto that really stood out consistantly was the T-verb, and now people are hardly interested in it because it's not an early enough revision. Yeah, the odd person would mention George Lynch's pre-500 comment, but by that time his music hadn't been relevant for years and no one really cared what Lunch thought about anything.

It's funny how one man's off handed comment in an interview can steer a whole industry....

Sometimes people focus on things for all the wrong reasons...


On a side note, how many people even knew which amps Hetfield used on which album prior to Montyjay's gear site? I'm sure that contributed to the price increase of the C+ too...
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by Heritage Softail » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:33 am

JOEY B. wrote:
Heritage Softail wrote:On the selling point of 3500 for a MKIIC+R:

They would sell. An SLO is a few bucks but there are many out there. I knew the IIC high gain tone to expect when I found my IIC. The clean channel is what was the stunning surprise. Diezel and Bogner are pricey. If Mesa put out a 3 channel version, true to the original and with a modern metal 3rd... That could be the MKVI. The giant killer.
3 channel??? I said an honest re-issue, complete with shared tone controls and all. How was the clean channel on the IIC a surprise? It's based on a Fender amp. :shock:

As far as MESA "Brit" tone goes, my RA-100 has a great clean channel with reverb, unlike many of the "Super Lead 100" clones. So I guess a compromise will be in order. 8)
It was a surprise in that all I ever heard about the IIC was the high gain comments. I personally enjoy some Dire Straits type playing more often than Metallica.

I would have to say the cleans, not crunch, of the SLO are not it's strongest point. The MKIIC is equally good at each. That is part of what makes it my fav amp now. Just need to record it in stereo with the TJ and see how that sounds. I'm thinking a dark and evil sort of Alice in Chains.
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by CoG » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:51 pm

Okay, how many years have you guys been gearheads and you haven't yet realised that mass market amp sales make no sense whatsoever through this kind of lens? :lol:

Biggest factor in the industry is that the economy is in the tank, especially for "aspirational" guys. The fragmentation and deprofessionalization of music (not that this is a bad thing in other areas) means that official or even viral endorsements are less effective than ever. An amp company has to have a thing. Orange's advantage is that they are actually making their money on their sh!t low-end gear, so their big amps can be loss leaders; plus they have a visual branding thing which works well in the world of Apple. Marshall has a seemingly indestructible brand (and judging from their build quality enviably low production costs :lol: ) Mesa's advantage is that randall smith seems to run a very, very tight ship on the production side. There may have only been 2500 RAs sold so far but I am pretty sure that there's no room full of 500 unsold RAs somewhere and they have recouped R&D and any tooling costs. If you have really good control of your production line and overhead it's really hard to have a "failure" in a cost sense unless you went apeshit in product development or promotion.

What do you expect, anyway? The last "big" thing to happen in amplifiers in terms of establishing a major new line or style that artists played and consumers bought was Orange, basically. And that's been going on for a decade. If Mesa's still in business they're doing fine compared to other comparable music- or non-music manufacturers.

From a non-business point of view, hell yes, this insistence on V30s is a bad thing. My RA sounds, IMHO, just straight-up bad through a Recto 2x12 which is supposedly the secret-sweet-spot cab in the whole lineup. Otherwise, tonally it's an excellent set of compromises, I would need three amps to replace it (and, in fact, it replaced three amps.)
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by JOEY B. » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:52 pm

Hype about any product is usually generated by a need to sell said product. I don't think that George Lynch was trying to sell any of his amps when the Pre-500 comment was made. There was a definate circuit revision that took place. I also don't think that Hammet or Petrucci were trying to inflate the value of their amps. Also, no one person on this forum could ever influence resale value of either amp. There is no conspiracy to drive up the prices of either amp.

I am a huge fan of George Lynch, and do not own a MESA Rectifier of any revision. I am not a big Metallica or Dream Theater fan, and own a C+. So, where's the logic?


I bought my RA-100 for $1300 to the door, but it was right before Christmas last year, and the seller was needing money. I knew that I could flip it if I didn't like it. 7 months later, and I still have it.

I played the RA-100 and C+ in stereo a few weeks ago, and it was BRUTAL! :D
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by richb » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:08 pm

idk,I've owned a crap load of mesa boogie amps over the past almost 20+ years of playing boogie and the RA-100 does it for me!The word "brit"that mesa uses is just a added flavor,pls don't get caught up on it being like a Marshall etc...The player makes the amp,and since the early 90's mesa made there mark with the duel recto and mk series amps,the amps mesa has been putting out besides the for the past few years just show that a company can broaden their capabilities and reach different levels for different kinds of players.
When the RA-100 came out,the funniest thing to read was:"Can the RA-100 do metal"?
I think just hearing the name/title of a new amp it will get judged by from many.
As far as amps reselling on a used listing for cheaper than the norm,(People need cash)the economy is horrendous so 6 out of 10 guitarists in the past buying new amps the #'s have maybe lowered to 2 OR 3 of 10!And then there's the guy who buys a new amp and realizes he can't keep it due to his current finances..(so sell for cheap).
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by danyeo1 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:48 pm

richb wrote:idk,I've owned a crap load of mesa boogie amps over the past almost 20+ years of playing boogie and the RA-100 does it for me!The word "brit"that mesa uses is just a added flavor,pls don't get caught up on it being like a Marshall etc...The player makes the amp,and since the early 90's mesa made there mark with the duel recto and mk series amps,the amps mesa has been putting out besides the for the past few years just show that a company can broaden their capabilities and reach different levels for different kinds of players.
When the RA-100 came out,the funniest thing to read was:"Can the RA-100 do metal"?
I think just hearing the name/title of a new amp it will get judged by from many.
As far as amps reselling on a used listing for cheaper than the norm,(People need cash)the economy is horrendous so 6 out of 10 guitarists in the past buying new amps the #'s have maybe lowered to 2 OR 3 of 10!And then there's the guy who buys a new amp and realizes he can't keep it due to his current finances..(so sell for cheap).
Richb
I like the RA and the Electra Dyne, it's mostly the marketing Mesa writes up which is pretty hiliarious if they really believe that garbage they write.
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by Tommy_G » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:52 am

Mesa is always trying new and different things, and some ideas bomb, and some work. My problem is that they don't seem to learn enough from their 'bombs' nor do they seem to learn a lot from their successes.

However, one has to give them credit with trying a lot of different ideas out in the marketplace without really trying to build a cornerstone model that they sell for the next 50 years. They got a lot of expertise in channel switching, and I'm just waiting for them to figure out a formula that meets my needs better than what I currently use (Heartbreaker). Hint: A RI Heartbreaker with full 5 channel switchability (and maybe an additional preamp voicing to channel 2 to make it a 6 voice amp), attenuation, and designed around a 6v6 platform, not a 6L6 platform and/or power tube switching in nothing more than a 50W amp. It must be able to sag, which simply doesn't happen with this amp despite the marketing BS to the contrary (good luck getting sag out of a power supply designed to deliver 120W.....duh).

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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by borisson » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:04 am

Tommy_G wrote:Mesa is always trying new and different things, and some ideas bomb, and some work. My problem is that they don't seem to learn enough from their 'bombs' nor do they seem to learn a lot from their successes.

However, one has to give them credit with trying a lot of different ideas out in the marketplace without really trying to build a cornerstone model that they sell for the next 50 years. They got a lot of expertise in channel switching, and I'm just waiting for them to figure out a formula that meets my needs better than what I currently use (Heartbreaker). Hint: A RI Heartbreaker with full 5 channel switchability (and maybe an additional preamp voicing to channel 2 to make it a 6 voice amp), attenuation, and designed around a 6v6 platform, not a 6L6 platform and/or power tube switching in nothing more than a 50W amp. It must be able to sag, which simply doesn't happen with this amp despite the marketing BS to the contrary (good luck getting sag out of a power supply designed to deliver 120W.....duh).
i just want the TA30 channel 1 with rectifier sound in channel 2, both in one amp....(vox+rectifier)
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Re: Is Mesa striking out in their Brit tone quest?

Post by Tommy_G » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:18 am

TA Channel 1 + Rectifer Channel 2?

Give a nomad 45 a whirl someday and let me know what you think....EL84's, and three channels, of which Ch3 modern is pretty close to a Rectifier.

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