considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

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considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:27 pm

Stiletto II (I've owned one and liked it for a while until it kept blowing power tubes and I returned it)

Electra Dyne (played one once at a store and it seemed very loud)

Royal Atlantic (saw it at NAMM 2011)

I'm leaning towards the ED or RA but the RA would be my preferred due to the multi-soak (I play at home mostly nowadays) but then the RA is expensive.

Seems hard to find an RA used, huh?

I've also been looking at H&K Switchbalde and Coreblade (auto-biasing with any mix of tubes you want!)

I play this kind of stuff: RHCP, Miles Davis (KoB), Jane's, Scofield, Metallica, RATM, Doors, Floyd, Zep, AC/DC, (mostly 60s and 90s basically)

amp needs to be able to shine in both rhythm and lead and handle distorted jazz chords (i.e. hear at least 4 tones at a time clearly, no mud). dorian, mixolydian, blues, half/whole death progression.

btw, what the hell happened to modern guitar-based music other than djent (Animals as Leaders, Veil of Maya, etc.) it's all sh!t since ~2000. sucks man.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by DWAKO » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:47 am

It seems to me the Royal is what you want, it does everything you described very well. They are hard to find used because they are so new, give it a few months and I'm sure you'll see them start popping up. That's what I'm banking on anyways, I have the ED and I love it... but I want the RA-100 as well so I'm waiting to snag one used for cheaper.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by CoG » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:43 am

The RA would cover all of that but is not anything close to a wife/baby-friendly or apartment-friendly amp even with the power soak. The power soak goes from JCM800-with-all-the-knobs-up loud to normal-human-drummer volume, not from drummer-volume to loud-TV-volume. If you dial in the RA to be that quiet, there's no EL34s clipping and it's a pretty limited amp because it's really designed to integrate power tube distortion into its tones. It's a godlike amp if you can play at normal rehearsal volumes (because then you get the voice of Thor at a volume that will not kill other members of your band) but if you can't, eh, there's waaaay better things to spend two grand on.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:08 am

does it have a 100/50 watt switch?
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by CoG » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:14 am

rabies wrote:does it have a 100/50 watt switch?
yeah but it doesn't make that much difference except in headroom on the clean channel.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:16 am

when i play thru a tube amp, it's typically with 2-4 power tubes and the master volume on 2/10. so this is not a wife/baby situation. you may as well write stories or compose songs at that point.

mesa's sound the best around 3-5 out of 10 i've noticed. after that (I have maxed out my ex-IV) they start to over-saturate in the power section and sound worse IMO.

The switchblade (for the price and features) is very attractive but they don't sell a 50 watt head...

can you always pull 2 out of 4 power tubes in a tube amp???
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:17 am

CoG wrote:
rabies wrote:does it have a 100/50 watt switch?
yeah but it doesn't make that much difference except in headroom on the clean channel.
beg to differ. typically you get much more bass response with 100 watts.

i remember one of the guys at mesa hwood said he was using the trident for more headroom and bass.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:19 am

btw, i got some sick elongated single notes (aha, sustain!) with the master on 10/10 on the Marshall 2266 recently in HDR. It just doesn't have the crunch with the KT66 tubes (although they sound very complex and better for cleans).

maybe i can try a distortion/boost pedal in front to see if it adds crunch? i usually go straight into the preamp nowadays though.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by CoG » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:51 pm

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CoG wrote:
rabies wrote:does it have a 100/50 watt switch?
yeah but it doesn't make that much difference except in headroom on the clean channel.
beg to differ. typically you get much more bass response with 100 watts.

i remember one of the guys at mesa hwood said he was using the trident for more headroom and bass.
yah, on most amps, but I am talking specifically about the RA (I own one). using even one "level" of the power soak totally negates any difference in bass response between 50 and 100 watts. And if you don't use the power soak at all, most of the RA's good tones are JCM800-loud.

neither the blue or red channels in the RA have a lot of bass on tap anyway. the clean does.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:03 pm

can you get a bone-crushing Ministry Filth Pig tone out of it? They were running JMP-1 into EL34 monoblocs.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by CoG » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:20 am

rabies wrote:can you get a bone-crushing Ministry Filth Pig tone out of it? They were running JMP-1 into EL34 monoblocs.
dude you live in LA, just go to the store and try one. I'd say put the red master at like 2 o'clock, bass at noon, mid at 11, treble at 12:30, volume at 1:30 and start screwing around... dial in too much bass using the the bass knob, then cut the bass by increasing the treble. volume increases saturation but also makes it very "fat". master increases aggressive tight grind but makes the sound a bit thinner and your overall volume gets real high. the secret to higher gain sounds with the amp is to use a combination of the "volume" and "master" knobs while using the power soak.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by rabies » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:24 pm

the ppl who work at mesa hollywood don't belong there. bunch of pricks. stay far away....
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by danyeo1 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:08 am

Yes the Electra Dyne is a loud amp but you can use it at lower volumes if you slightly nudge the master up and use an OD pedal. But be careful as it gets loud REALLY fast. But it sounds so damm good. However, I think the Royal Atlantic is a little brighter sounding with a little more upper mids going on and I played one and thought it sounded really good at low volumes. Of course these amps sound a lot better loud but to me they can be used at late night.

I have a wife that goes to bed at 9:00pm and a 2 year old who asleep by 7:00pm and I use my Electra Dyne up until midnight. But often times when I know nobody will be home I try to take advantage of it and crank the Electra Dyne up.
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by danyeo1 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:11 am

CoG wrote:The RA would cover all of that but is not anything close to a wife/baby-friendly or apartment-friendly amp even with the power soak. The power soak goes from JCM800-with-all-the-knobs-up loud to normal-human-drummer volume, not from drummer-volume to loud-TV-volume. If you dial in the RA to be that quiet, there's no EL34s clipping and it's a pretty limited amp because it's really designed to integrate power tube distortion into its tones. It's a godlike amp if you can play at normal rehearsal volumes (because then you get the voice of Thor at a volume that will not kill other members of your band) but if you can't, eh, there's waaaay better things to spend two grand on.
I thought the RA did fine at lower volumes. Sure it will sound better loud, but sounded fine to me when I played it at what i call, "barely on volume". 8)
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Re: considering a Marshall-esque Boogie head

Post by JAZZGEAR » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:26 pm

danyeo1 wrote:
CoG wrote:The RA would cover all of that but is not anything close to a wife/baby-friendly or apartment-friendly amp even with the power soak. The power soak goes from JCM800-with-all-the-knobs-up loud to normal-human-drummer volume, not from drummer-volume to loud-TV-volume. If you dial in the RA to be that quiet, there's no EL34s clipping and it's a pretty limited amp because it's really designed to integrate power tube distortion into its tones. It's a godlike amp if you can play at normal rehearsal volumes (because then you get the voice of Thor at a volume that will not kill other members of your band) but if you can't, eh, there's waaaay better things to spend two grand on.
I thought the RA did fine at lower volumes. Sure it will sound better loud, but sounded fine to me when I played it at what i call, "barely on volume". 8)

+1 - With the max power soak, the RA is definitely bedroom / living room friendly
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