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 Post subject: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:48 pm 
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INCOMING!

I'm thrilled, I am finally going to be joining the Electra Dyne club shortly. Been wanting one since they came out. Long time Lone Star evangelist, which I remain, but I cannot wait to fire up my new beast when it arrives. I have a medium head en route. Probably in next week. First assignment will be with a classic rock/tribute band I just joined. I think it will fit right in.

In my recent lurking, I've gathered that people tend to like 6L6s more than EL34s in this amp. I guess I am not too surprised, Boogies seem to fire on all cylinders with 6L6s, and seem to lose a little steam with the EL34s. Any other opinions on this?

What about preamp tubes? Any advice?

Favorite speakers?

Any other fun things?

Glad to be here! Feeling a little bit geeked-out about it! Woo hoo!

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:26 pm 
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Hmmm. Advice: People generally like 6L6s for the most versatile performance and to preserve the epic clean tone. I've heard that the EL 34s really add a nice snarl and zing to Vintage Lo and Hi but at the expense of the Clean more.

RE: Pickups. The shared EQ is a particularly annoying compromise. The best workaround I have found was to customize the pickups in all my guitars. I chose pickups that are optimized to cover the most tonal range with a single EQ setting. A slightly hotter bridge pickup to drive the front end helps add gain when necessary; and a slightly more vintage and crisp neck pickup controls the lows when switching pickups and is dynamic enough to take advantage of the expressive nature of this amp. This allows for a good range of tones on Vintage Lo alone but it does not compromise clean.

Also, I chose pickups to give a balanced tonal result with the guitar. i.e. the frequencies are consistent from low to high. The result is that extreme EQ settings are not required which doesn't result in a situation where either the clean mode or Vintage Lo and Hi are are compromised. |

This was not an insignificant monetary investment but it has allowed me to get the most out of this unique, quirky, and wonderful amplifier.

[edit] Pickups can do a lot of heavy lifting tonally speaking, so using a super strat with super powerful passives is good for balls heavy tones while a LP with PAF style pickups will pick up the blues and classic rock. If you set your guitars up correctly, you can simply swap instruments to cop different tones.



Other ideas / advice. 27" 1 x 12 extension cab is great for 'lower' volume situations. If you can find one, you'll be miles ahead. I think the c90 with the Electra Dyne gives a somewhat unique tone which is cool. But v30s bring the crunch.

My advice RE: Cabs. Don't use a cab designed to enhance lows. The 'Dyne already has plenty so something like a Thiele causes the bottom to rapidly become overpowering.


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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:17 pm 
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djw wrote:
In my recent lurking, I've gathered that people tend to like 6L6s more than EL34s in this amp. I guess I am not too surprised, Boogies seem to fire on all cylinders with 6L6s, and seem to lose a little steam with the EL34s. Any other opinions on this?


I liked both, but switched back to 6L6s for some reason. Honestly, it's been so long I can't remember why.

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What about preamp tubes? Any advice?

Favorite speakers?

Any other fun things?

Glad to be here! Feeling a little bit geeked-out about it! Woo hoo!


The only thing I changed was I swapped the stock MC90 in my combo for a V30. This isn't a knock against the MC90 as it sounds great with the ED, but I prefer V30s so that's what's in there.

I generally prefer the ED on 45w mode. Less low end, more compression.

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:03 pm 
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Thanks guys! I hadn't thought about tailoring my pickups for the amp... but I will likely be using a different combination of guitars with my ED (i.e., Les Paul w/57s, SG w/36ths, maybe a Tele) than what I generally play with my Lone Stars (my main Tele, 335). Mostly going to be using this for more classic rock than anything too heavy. Except when I get lucky. 8)

Speaker-wise, I have some cabs to play with. I suppose I'll have to try re-loading one of my idle C90s into one of them... I actually have a THD 2x12 that I could swap a couple into. My 23" 1x12 Lone Star cab currently has a WGS ET90 (which is ironically not that different from a C90), and my 27" 1x12 has a Blackhawk HP in it. I have some other options too. I might have to get a cab dedicated to the ED.

Any strong preference re: open vs. closed back cabs with the ED? I know the combo is sort of ported, and I actually haven't seen anything about this distinction yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:35 am 
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I have tried my Dyne with a bunch of cabs. It does great with most, but not so much with Thiele/Widebody Closed cabs, as it already has tons of low-end.

I really like the tone of the combo with C90 and also the head with recto 2x12.

I wouldn't say you should swap pickups to suit the amp. I would say the amp is much more transparent than a lot of other amps, so the tone of the guitar and pickups really comes through. So if you don't like the tone, the dominant factor may not be the amp.

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:05 am 
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Congrats DJW! Can't wait to hear what you think of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:38 am 
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elvis wrote:
I wouldn't say you should swap pickups to suit the amp. .


What I did -and what I meant by this- is that having pickups in one guitar that have a compatible EQ contribution with one another helps accommodate the limitations of the shared EQ on the Electra Dyne. By extension, setting up guitars this way would make them work better with ALL amps, not just this one.

For example: My Gibson LP Standard stock had a huge issue with a boomy neck pickup and a thin bridge pickups. This issue was compounded by the Electra Dyne's powerful low end. So, I installed a BKP set instead but then ended up swapping the bridge pickup for something slightly phatter and higher output which allows me to swap between my bridge and neck pickup at will, giving me access to many tones.

Of course, the pickups I chose are really high end and they positively shine with the Electra Dyne. I have 3 guitars, all of which work exceptionally well with that amp. It's a lot of fun!

Also, there is nothing wrong with tuning pickup selection beyond this. Having a very powerful / contemporary bridge humbucker can really coax a lot heavier tones out of the 'Dyne, so it is a question of what one really wants to do with the amp. There is nothing that is 'off limits' lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:01 pm 
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I've been reading the manual, and it sounds like the higher gain settings benefit from having higher output pickups. So there's definitely some credence to the idea. As for my purposes, I'm guessing I won't be needing that much firepower most of the time, and if I need to really push things I'll likely just kick on a booster or something.

Wow, I might have to rethink my pedalboard. :) I do generally keep an EP Booster and a Gain Changer aboard, but it seems like I could probably lose my Direct Drive...

Also, just an update: I found a Royal Atlantic 27" 1x12 on Reverb and figured, wtf. I'm splurging. All should be here by the end of the week I think. \m/

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
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Did you get a 1x12 speaker cab or a RA combo?

The speaker cab is great, it is exactly the same as the Dyne 1x12, and sounds amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:04 pm 
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elvis wrote:
Did you get a 1x12 speaker cab or a RA combo?

The speaker cab is great, it is exactly the same as the Dyne 1x12, and sounds amazing.


Oh whoops, that was totally vague -- I got the 27" 1x12 RA speaker cabinet.

When all is said and done, I'll have the ED medium head and matching 27" 1x12 cab to go along with my LSC head and matching 27" 1x12 cab. I'll have to take a picture. Ridiculous and waaaay more that I can professionally rationalize these days, but since I am no longer really a professional I don't have to rationalize it. :lol:

I'm glad to hear it's the right cab for the amp, I didn't have a good non-open back Mesa cab. I'll probably sell my THD, it's sort of overkill for me at this point.

The two 27" 1x12's will make a great looking stack too! OMG.

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:39 pm 
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djw wrote:
elvis wrote:
Did you get a 1x12 speaker cab or a RA combo?

The speaker cab is great, it is exactly the same as the Dyne 1x12, and sounds amazing.


Oh whoops, that was totally vague -- I got the 27" 1x12 RA speaker cabinet.

When all is said and done, I'll have the ED medium head and matching 27" 1x12 cab to go along with my LSC head and matching 27" 1x12 cab. I'll have to take a picture. Ridiculous and waaaay more that I can professionally rationalize these days, but since I am no longer really a professional I don't have to rationalize it. :lol:

I'm glad to hear it's the right cab for the amp, I didn't have a good non-open back Mesa cab. I'll probably sell my THD, it's sort of overkill for me at this point.

The two 27" 1x12's will make a great looking stack too! OMG.


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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:44 pm 
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Well, the amp seems to be on the slow boat. But the cab showed up today, and it sounds AMAZING. Holy crap.

My neighbors are going to hate me...

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:33 pm 
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Believe me the 1x12 black shadow cabinet is the best. Or combo. 2x12 sux all unless you play power chords whit humbuckers but I would also go with 1x12 even that case. 2x12 always kill your original.
If i want more power i use an extra 1x12 mesa cab with my dyne combo of course black shadow. 1x12 is always the best. Or 4x12 if needed, but 2x12 sux. 2x12 only might work with vintage greenbacks. Imho

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:11 pm 
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I agree, the 27" RA cab with C90 will absolutely sing! I have the 1x12 combo and I love it. The amp is so powerful, a 4x12 isn't needed. At the venues we play, with the small stages, it would just take up too much space. We mic up everything, so we try to keep stage volume to a minimum. It sounds stellar! Once we played a gig where the vocals only were in the P.A., and we were using wedge monitors (no in-ears) and I was able to let the 'Dyne roar. It was so awesome!
Congrats on your purchase! You'll love it!
A small tip: if your clean channel volume is too loud, use the clean channel volume knob on the back of the amp. If your clean volume is too low, turn up the volume (gain) on the front. You'll figure it out.
This amp's tone is so pure. You know how pure a blackface Fender amp sounds and feels, but then looses that magic when you step on an overdrive pedal? This amp retains all that magic and mojo, even in the Vintage Lo and Hi modes! I could go on and on lol! Have fun!

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 Post subject: Re: Joining the ED Club
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:30 am 
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Thanks for the tips, info and encouragement you guys. While waiting for my ED, I have been playing the cab with my LSC and a Barber Direct Drive Super Sport (for the British vibe) and the thing just ROARS. Not that I am surprised, I am a huge fan of Mesa cabs in general, and I also totally get the magic of the 27" 1x12 design. I'm pretty thrilled, actually, I have two discontinued models now.

Not totally sure I love the MC90. I have long had mixed feelings about it. Kind of wondering if I should try a recently acquired WGS ET90 in there instead. Maybe I should give it some time to break in? Something in the mids is feeling sort of stiff in there. I guess I can at LEAST wait until I get the amp to make that decision... :roll:

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