Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifier

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Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifier

Post by cardinal » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:32 pm

I've used Google without much success, so I figure I'll come to the experts.

Here's what little I know:
- Seems like Load/Reload were recorded with a number of amps, including a Triple Recto
- I've seem pics of his live rigs, and his big concert rigs never seem to have a Recto in them. But I've seen pics/vids of more one-off performances, and he's just using one of his guitars plugged into a 2-channel Triple and one of his 4x12 cabs.
- More often than not, the pictures are of a blackface/chrome chassis 2 channel with a large Mesa logo, but I've seen some where it's your typical polished-face/black chassis 2-channel
- I've read something about his "practice rig" including a Triple Recto?

So, I'm just generally curious about any other info. Rev G or F, why he didnt use one in his huge live rack rigs, when he started using the VH4 instead, etc. Pics are always great!

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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by ryjan » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:11 pm

According to what I've read he used the Recto on Load/Reload blended with other amps. You can really make out the Recto sound on Load.
He used to use the Blackface Triple Recto for rehearsal in their tuning room jams before a show but for the last couple years he's been using the VH4.
In this documentary they did on The Black Album him and Kirk both jammed on 2 channel Rectos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJvP8McfiwQ
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by screamingdaisy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:37 pm

From what I've read over the years James hasn't used an actual Recto on a studio album that I'm aware of. If I remember correctly Load/Reload was primarily a Mark IV and Triaxis. I believe the distinct shift in tone came from switching from Marshall 4x12s to Recto 4x12s.

So far as I know he's used the Triple Recto for practice and one off shows where the stage rig is the actual rig. I've also seen footage where he's used Tremoverb combos for practices, and I've seen the new Multi-Watts sitting on his stage rig in some footage that appears to have been shot at Metallica HQ. I have no idea if he's using the Multi-Watts regularly or if he was just testing them out, but most recent practice footage I've seen shows a Diezel.
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by ryjan » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:40 pm

I can't find the video but one exists someplace where James is being interviewed during the Garage Inc recording. He's asked what's different about his equipment used for this album and he said they are using their live rigs to record so he had to ditch the IIC+ and Rectifiers they used for the previous album.
Maybe they used LD1 Red on the Triaxis? :lol:
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by screamingdaisy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:58 pm

No idea. I did a bunch of research last year after finally buying Load and remember being surprised that James didn't use a Recto on it. I know he used the live rig on Load/Reload, so the Triaxis would've given access to the IIC+ and Recto modes, but everything I read said no actual Recto.
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by SonVolt » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:05 am

Completely off topic but I know my Triple Rec in stereo with my Mark V in Mark IV mode nails Herfields tone way more than the Mark V alone.

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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by ryjan » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:01 pm

SonVolt wrote:Completely off topic but I know my Triple Rec in stereo with my Mark V in Mark IV mode nails Herfields tone way more than the Mark V alone.
I bet. 8)
My Roadster on channel 3 vintage mode nails the Load/Reload tone almost perfectly.
If you want Hetfield's current live tone with the modded Triaxis and VH4 get a Splawn Nitro. It's absolutely spot on.
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by screamingdaisy » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:10 pm

ryjan wrote:
My Roadster on channel 3 vintage mode nails the Load/Reload tone almost perfectly.
+1.

I've always found it odd that I could get Metallica's sound out of a Recto easier than I could a Mark... including albums that I know for sure they didn't use a Recto on (ie, the Black album).

My theory is that every time Mesa puts out a new high gain amp they listen to the last Metallica album and use that as a reference when dialling in the new amps tone... Lol.
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by SonVolt » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:41 pm

Stop the presses. I just picked a Mark IV combo today on an impulse buy at a local Fender shop. Had that amp on my mind lately and BAM there's one sitting on the floor in remarkably good condition. Anyway, it's definitley more Hetfield in a box through my recto 4x12's than is my Mark V. It's a lot rawer, more searing, more cutting. I'm surprised how much more compressed the V is than the IV. I'm shocked.

The V isn't going anywhere though. Channels 1 & 2 on the IV are meh.

Tomorrow I'm going to run the IV and V together in stereo and see how that compares to the Triple & V.

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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by SonVolt » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:44 pm

screamingdaisy wrote:
I've always found it odd that I could get Metallica's sound out of a Recto easier than I could a Mark...

It may be because a Recto is so wide/huge sounding that it better mimics the layering of the Marks in the studio.

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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by cardinal » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:47 am

Cool. Thanks guys. I thought it was interesting to see him use a Triple Rec for these smaller shows rather than a Mark IV or Triaxis. Now he seems to be using the VH4, like when they did the national anthem at AT&T Park earlier this year I think.

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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by ryjan » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:18 am

screamingdaisy wrote:
ryjan wrote:
My Roadster on channel 3 vintage mode nails the Load/Reload tone almost perfectly.
+1.

I've always found it odd that I could get Metallica's sound out of a Recto easier than I could a Mark... including albums that I know for sure they didn't use a Recto on (ie, the Black album).

My theory is that every time Mesa puts out a new high gain amp they listen to the last Metallica album and use that as a reference when dialling in the new amps tone... Lol.
And their current sound I can dial in on Vintage and the old MOP and AJFA tones I dial in on Modern. :lol:

I did read somewhere that the Black Album was one of the inspirations for the Dual Rectifier. Not sure if there is any truth to that but I'd certainly say it's plausible.
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by ZAK » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:10 pm

Can someone share the Rectifier settings of k. Hammett (from pics ?). Thanks. 8)
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Re: Tell me about James Hetfield's use of the Triple Rectifi

Post by ryjan » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:41 pm

ZAK wrote:Can someone share the Rectifier settings of k. Hammett (from pics ?). Thanks. 8)
If you zoom it in you can see his settings. Nothing crazy. Everything close to noon.
http://mesaboogie.com/news/2011/11/metallica-live-rigs/
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