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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:43 pm 
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There is also one thing I am not sure of. I Read some places that say james only uses iso cabs right to the PA under the stage, and the cabs on stage are just dummies. Can anyone confirm this?


This is correct.

You'll notice the band all use IEMs (In Ear Monitors), so the sound is pumped through those. They have a couple of monitor wedges on stage but I think they're there as backup in case the IEMs fail during a performance... and so they can generate feedback at the appropriate time.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:57 am 
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I dont know if anyone has seen this already but it might help clear up some things....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOdzgteeNcA

Its an interview with Metallicas FOH guy and is in a few parts. Really informative though.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:32 pm 
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That series of interviews was awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:19 pm 
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Exactly! The In ears are Front of House Mix from their ISO cabs, as well as the selective monitor wedges. I watched the above posted hour long interview with Big Mick Hughes on you tube, he mentioned some cool little tidbits about the mix. One being, even though the In-ear monitors are great for keeping a consistent mix for the band, the band still prefer the feeling of pumping cabs on stage. So Mick says each instrument has its own onstage mix also provided by onstage wedges.

Here's a small list of tidbits from the interview... as well as a few tidbits from an interview I read in Mix Magazine, i believe.

Mick quotes James, "it's hard when doing a solo, to get the sustain of the guitar to come through on the in ear monitors"

So Mick runs monitor wedges as well as actual Speaker cabs onstage.

For James, 2, 4x12 Mesa Boogie cabs. One on each side of the stage. (In a non in the round situation)
and 4, 4x12 Mesa Boogie cabs, 2 back to back on each side facing the opposite direction. (In an in the round situation)

The same goes for Kirk and Rob, However Kirk uses Marshall cabs on stage, and rob uses Ampeg cabs.

Big Mick then talks about the front of house sound for the Guitar and Bass...

James Mics
x2: Roland JC-120 combo mic'd in stereo (ISO enclosure) (Speakers powered by a JC-120H head not the combo preamp)
*DI: Line 6 Variax for Acoustic, also used is a Line 6 POD X3 Pro to simulate the JC-120 clean tone (Since 2009, replacing the JC-120H)
x1: Mesa Boogie 4x12 cab (ISO chamber) (Used with Mesa Boogie Triaxis/2:90)
x1: Mesa Boogie 4x12 cab (ISO chamber) (Used with Diezel VH4)

*(Note: I believe the Line 6 Pod X3 replaced the Roland JC-120H simulating the tone. The POD X3 speaker outs power the JC-120 combo speakers. I find it weird James doesn't just use the combo itself, like he does otherwise in a non-live situation. Perhaps it sounds different?)

Kirks Mics
x1: Mesa Boogie 4x12 cab (ISO chamber) (Used with Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier)
x1: Randall 4x12 cab (ISO chamber) (Used with Randall RM100KH)

Rob
x1: Mesa Boogie 4x12 cab (ISO chamber) (Used with Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier) (for dirty sounds)
x1: Ampeg cab (ISO chamber) (Used with Ampeg SVT-2)

All cabs housed in ATA flight cases and mic'd with ATM 2500 dual capsule condensor dynamic microphones,
positioned directly in the center of the speaker to obtain the high-end required for the chunky metal sound.

Mick then speaks about James vocal mics...

There's roughly 10 vocal mics spread across the stage. How do you EQ 10 vocals for one guy?
Well, you turn off the EQ on the desk, you bus all the vocals to one pair of sub groups,
and you EQ the sub group. Once I've EQ'd one sub group I've EQ'd them all.

Pretty cool! I've always loved watching or reading anything with Big Mick, he seems so humble and down to earth. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:03 pm 
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myownself26 wrote:
*(Note: I believe the Line 6 Pod X3 replaced the Roland JC-120H simulating the tone. The POD X3 speaker outs power the JC-120 combo speakers. I find it weird James doesn't just use the combo itself, like he does otherwise in a non-live situation. Perhaps it sounds different?)


I've seen footage of where James is playing an acoustic on a stand while his electric is on a strap. I'm guessing this setup makes it impossible to use the JC120 for both since both rigs are active at the same time.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:20 pm 
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Well,

Unless, A: the acoustic is DI out to front of house, or B: the acoustic is going through the POD X3 and when James changes from acoustic tone to Electric/distortion tone his good 'ol guitar tech changes his patch via the Voodoo Lab GCP midi foot controller.

I would think the acoustic is going out dry regardless if its DI or patched through the POD X3.

Screamingdaisy: hopefully I read your statement correctly? :D

re-reading your post, I guess I'm confused to which two rigs you're referring to?

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:31 pm 
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myownself26 wrote:
re-reading your post, I guess I'm confused to which two rigs you're referring to?


If he's playing his acoustic and his electric at the same time, he'd need two rigs. One being his regular electric rig, and the other being his acoustic DI.

The performance I'm thinking of he had one guitar still ringing when he started playing the other.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:45 pm 
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Well, he technically has several rigs. He has a custom Mesa amp selector with the option of 4 different amps in any different combination. which I'm sure you already know.

1. mesa triaxis #1
2. Mesa triaxis #2
3. Diezel VH4
4. Line 6 POD X3

yet, if you heard two different sounds, that means the acoustic is NOT going through the POD and is DI and goes to front of house bypassing his rig altogether. Leaving the POD solely used for his regular clean tone simulating the JC-120 tone along with the triaxis #2.

that would be my guess 8)

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:55 pm 
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I don't think he's using the POD X3 any more. The most recent pictures I've seen show a JC-120 back in his rig.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:59 am 
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Look at THIS. (YT link)

It's nice to see Metallica playing small venue like this with "classic bar/pub band setup" :-))

What revision do you think these Blackface Rectos are?


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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:42 am 
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r0nn!e wrote:
Look at THIS. (YT link)

It's nice to see Metallica playing small venue like this with "classic bar/pub band setup" :-))

What revision do you think these Blackface Rectos are?


Those are Rev G Triples.

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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:30 am 
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Well... so that's probably why I ended up buying Rev G. blackface triple... (-:


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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:49 pm 
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I've always felt that Metallica is a band that has very seldom been recorded in live situations in a way that truly represents how the band (especially the guitars) sounds from the perspective of being in the crowd, and they sound huge live. For me their tone always sounds so small and thin in these Met On Tour vids that I can't even watch them. I always prefer live recordings that don't come off the soundboard and capture the acoustics of the venue and crowd. Alot of the time I think the amateur vids I see on youtube sound better than the Met On Tour stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: James' tone
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:35 am 
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James tone's nothing near what you hear in that vid! Did you ever been at a Metallica concert? Their tone's FU**ING HUGE! I was at the Big4 in Milan (where that vid was taken) and their tone (drums more than guitars) was crazy huge and warm, nothing I've ever heard in any clip, only S&M sounds pretty close to what they sound live (about modern tone). Sure since James added the Diezel to his rig his tone gained a certain harshiness on the top end and is bit less low-middy but the overall Triaxis "cream" is still the 90% of his tone.


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