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James' tone

Post by zodiac272 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:08 am

i know it's a crappy vid, but not really liking his tone from this show... new JH pups? and the bit at the end of blackened... not so great. sounds kind of thin

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Re: James' tone

Post by screamingdaisy » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:11 am

His guitar is EQ'd to have a bassist below him and to leave room for Kirk's guitar. It's going to sound a lot thinner when heard by itself.

It's also possible that he thinned it out even further by switching down to a single amp as sort of a special effect... it'll make the band sound that much bigger when the next song kicks off.
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Re: James' tone

Post by ryjan » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:23 am

Thin? Have you ever been to a Metallica concert? It's been said a bazillion times, don't judge tone based on youtube. :lol:
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Re: James' tone

Post by zodiac272 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:01 pm

i have seen metallica live about 15 times. first time was Faith no more, Guns n Roses, Metallica. Saw pretty much every time they came around, except for S&M. Saw Garage Days, The free show in the parking lot in philly, Live sh!t twice, load twice, St. anger in 2003, death magnetic three times, probably going to yankee stadium in september.

i have a pretty good idea what his live guitar sounds like, It just sounded different is what I was trying to say.

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Re: James' tone

Post by Jackie » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:45 am

Definitely not what I'm used to :?

But I agree with screamingdaisy, his tone is fit for the mix.
Hell even in our band my tone is a bit more open and brighter and the lead guitarist's tone is more saturated and darker - on my own, I'm a bit bright, and he's a bit muddy... together it's awesome.
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Re: James' tone

Post by ryjan » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:30 am

I read an interview with James about his tone. He said he has learned to compromise a guitar sound that sounds great with one that will make the band sound great.
His live sounds has been like this for a couple years now. I just think this video really accentuated it. I wish I cut through the band like that. :cry:
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Re: James' tone

Post by zodiac272 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:27 am

yeah what you guys are saying makes sense


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Post by BrownieD2W » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:31 pm

I don't know if this is a valid point or not, but its just something I have noticed a bit.

The two times I have seen them live this tour it seemed like James was for the most part trying to keep his tone balanced, in the sense that he was using a tone that kind of worked for all of their material, but more or less still geared towards Death Magnetic.

I don't know if its always been like that, but it seems like James kind of locks down on one sound and he kind of lets Kirk float around more between tones as needed. I assume that's what most bands would do, kind of let the lead in and out as needed, but it just seems more noticeable now.

I guess what I am saying is that it seems like James kind of lets Kirk fill in the gaps (both Rhythm and Lead) a bit more then he use to, instead of trying to dominate the mix guitar wise like he may have in the past.
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Re: James' tone

Post by screamingdaisy » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:48 pm

When I listen to the tones off "The Big 4" DVD it sounds like his tonality shifts a couple of times. Death Magnetic being a bit thinner and more balanced with the tone getting more scooped into AJFA era and more raw and slightly muddy for KEA era.

I agree that it sounds like James isn't trying to dominate the mix. It actually sounds like Kirk has more bottom end with the more scooped rhythm sound while James sits more in the mids.... until the leads where Kirk suddenly jumps into the middle and cuts like a knife.
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Re: James' tone

Post by Philhouse » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:45 am

I think you guys nailed on the head. I've noticed the same last few years regarding his tone taking up a particular frequency slot to allow room for the band. I recall some older live stuff where he was low in the mix and it was mostly Kirk, perhaps to cover for small mistakes while singing ?
It always seemed he was quieter when it was just him playing and this would bring it to my attention then Kirk would come back in.

Maybe this vid was just a quick Youtube quality mix ? It does seem very 'toppy' and 'trebly' at the end. I was more impressed to hear some new Hetfield riffery ? or is it from something I don't know of ?

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Re: James' tone

Post by Philhouse » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:04 am

The live download MP3 sounds far better from Metontour.

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Re: James' tone

Post by Roadifier » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:27 pm

The Metallica concert I recently went to sounded pretty good, James cut through well and so did Kirk, but they sill had the thick tone from the black album. They had a lot more mids in their sound, but I still like their live tone, But I liked the tone off S&M way more, it was so thick, and a little more scopped like their MOP-BA
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Re: James' tone

Post by fluff191 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:39 pm

[quote="Roadifier"]The Metallica concert I recently went to sounded pretty good, James cut through well and so did Kirk, but they sill had the thick tone from the black album. /quote]

While I have never seen Metallica live, I have been told by a few professional sound engineers that Metallica have one of the best live sounds around.

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Re: James' tone

Post by Roadifier » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:55 pm

There is also one thing I am not sure of. I Read some places that say james only uses iso cabs right to the PA under the stage, and the cabs on stage are just dummies. Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: James' tone

Post by zodiac272 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:34 pm

fluff191 wrote:
Roadifier wrote:The Metallica concert I recently went to sounded pretty good, James cut through well and so did Kirk, but they sill had the thick tone from the black album. /quote]

While I have never seen Metallica live, I have been told by a few professional sound engineers that Metallica have one of the best live sounds around.

Don't believe what you hear on Youtube.

I'm not a professional, but after seeing them so many times, I would agree that their live sound is really good... and has to be one of the best sounding shows out there

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