Dimebucker wrote:Hi
I did find this today ,there is some info for recording sessions whit Metallica. Biggest confused was that ,there have been some info for those mics what they did use in those two guitar cabinets. I have hear they did use three mics SM57 AKG and B&K ,but in that thread they mention there was four mics in those two cabinets. And there was Neuman U87 mic and SM7 mic too ,i was thinking before that there were two main mics SM57 and B&K.
But that information whit SM7 and U87 ,put me thinking again what there were in real in those days. And I was confused too because ,I was hear they did use SM57 0 inch straight to the cone ,but in that thread it was SM7 45-degree angle straight to the cone. Not like I was hear dead center of the cone ,and nothing angel in that mic. But below is that thread.
Update
Or was those SM7 and U87 mics ,and 45-degree angle micing AJFA setup and not a MOP setup. Because MOP notes I did not find those two mics ,and mic positions?
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may11/a ... s-0511.htm
I've read that before as well and I think Flemming is just getting things mixed up, it was 30 years ago and he's worked with countless people. In the gearslutz thread he was pulling old files he had and M Wagner was there as well so there was more for him to go off of to spark his memory. The SOS article is great info but I stand by the notes in the gearslutz thread. It's the first I've ever heard him or anyone mention a U87 or an off axis 57 as well so...
Plus check out this pic, I'm pretty sure it's from the MOP session. The walls look like the walls of Sweet Silence and you can see the AKG The Tube "gold tube" as well which was in Flemmings locker. Lars garage didn't look like this and it was much smaller so it's not there, and AJFA was recorded at One on One which doesn't look like this either. That and AJFA they had switched to EMGs which the Jackson V does not have "yet".
Few things on this, if you notice there are in fact 2 IIC+'s in this picture. The second one is hard to see but you can see the corner of the head and switches on the right side of James. I don't see a JCM anywhere, I'm sure they used it but I don't see it. I wonder what songs, if any or all they used the JCM. Next there's a Boss J5 switcher on the floor (blue box), it's one input and 4 outputs. There's one cable going in and 2 coming out, I assume one to each IIC+. There's also a blue Boss pedal sitting on the cab next to the second IIC+ head. At the time the only blue boss pedals were the CS1, CS2, CE2, CE3, and VB1. Any of those could make sense, the CS's for cleans, CE's for cleans, or the VB for that pulsating effect heard on the cleans to "Sanitarium". Possible whatever it is wasn't used at all.
There's a mysterious box on top of the left IIC+, don't know what it is but it could be the "quad level" line level shifter used for the loop. The settings written on the amp don't look like anything I've seen before as far as their known "used" settings, looks more like clean settings to me. Always see the Lead pulled though so that throws me off.
If you notice the gold tube in the lower right, Flemming said it was about 4' back diagonal from the cab, sitting 45 degrees from the corner of the cab, laying horizontal aimed at the corner of the cab. That matches up with this picture, you see it's a side addressed mic, so the side is pointed at the cab, not the top like a top addressed such as a 4006 or a SM57. You'll also notice a mic on the lower speaker of the right cab behind James right leg. I can't make out what that is but Flemming said the 57 was on a lower speaker and the 4006 was on a higher one. I only see a single mic stand and a single cable coming from the area so I'm not sure if there is a second mic, but who knows what was happening.
One more thing, if you look closely the right cab you can see the name plate at the bottom left corner. It says JCM, can't tell if it's a 1960 or a 1982 so it doesn't help us, but it was interesting nonetheless. The 300w note keeps me thinking though. G12T75's would make 300 watts, but for the longest time I thought it was G12-65's. Both were available in JCM800 cabs at the time so either are possible. Unfortunately the serial number doesn't tell us anything as Marshall didn't have any key to their serials. I haven't seen a mislabeled cab yet where it's G12-65's saying 300w, or G12T's saying 260w but who knows.
Lastly, I'm sure this isn't new info but you can see on the left IIC+ the amp says full pwr and 1/2 pwr, meaning it's a simulclass instead of a 100/60. Again probably not new info but it was good to have that definitively (at least for that head).
Just a few observations from this single pic, thanks to the power of zoom.
