Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

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KKND83
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Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by KKND83 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:15 am

Hello everyone....Two years ago I bought a Mark V 25 head to solely use for recording at home. It took me a while to be able to dial in great tones playing it through a Recto 2x12 vertical cab but honestly I enjoyed the amp the most when plugged directly into my audio interface played through my studio monitors. This way it is more balanced with the backing tracks I play along with or when recording plus I can crank up the amp, not that volume is an issue with the 2x12 but it is the balance between the two audio sources (amp and computer).

The mark V 25 is great, I love the Mark IV and extreme modes in channel two and the cleans to a certain extent but this is where the limitations are. The clean channel lacks headroom (mind you I am connecting it now through a Two Notes Torpedo reactive load box and load IRs through the Wall of Sound plugins) and the crunch channel is great for low gain bluesy stuff but it is on the same channel as the clean and requires different EQ settings and some times different graphic EQ as well (at a different setting than my MK IV rhythm settings). The amp generally lacks bottom end as well which affects the treble in a negative way as the amp could sound a bit harsh especially on single notes lead setting.

I have always wanted a mark V (90 watts) and the reason I got the Mark V 25 is it was the only one available at the dealer at that time. Now, the dealer stocks Mark V (90 watts) not cheap though and I got an offer on my Mark V 25 (which is a rare thing as our second hand market is too slow and scarce).

I have couple of questions, is there a Mark VI on the horizon? Anyone upgraded form the Mark V 25 or 35 to a full size head and what did you gain (or lose)? I am inclined towards the versatility of the 90 watts head with the three channels and the tonal advantage of the 6L6 tubes.

And I am not considering the JP IIC+ as it is not as versatile as the Mark V.

Any insight will be highly appreciated.....

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Re: Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by Markageddon » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:02 am

I have both.

The pluses: Channel 1's cleans are excellent even at ridiculous volume with regular or Fat. And the Tweed modes amazing at any vol.
Channel 2 Crunch is great, also have Edge and Mark I modes as extra light-extra dark/thick options respectively.
These modes are also more traditional amp feeling in the dialling/signal path too. Ridiculously handy if you're a strat player.
The unsung heroes of this amp for real..
Switchable FX loop for active or true bypass.
The different power switching options per channel and their vol settings vs the master vol are great for getting different
poweramp/preamp balances.
Solo button feature (also on the 35)
If you like the 25, theres great continuity between the that and the 90w. Just more/bigger.
"Unnnnnnnlimmmiiiiiited powwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....!"

The minus: Heavier...some portability ease is sacrificed compared to the more trim 25. (Buy the head if the weight is a concern.)
Time: You gotta spend more time learning the art and many ways of the V:90 with its multitude of options, settings and possibilities.
To get the kind of saturation you can get with the 25, you gotta learn to balance pre and power amp to get it to your taste, easy to get
used to to with some time though.
Theres no mid/boost feature on crunch.
And thats about it....Can't think of any other negatives.



Also: You might want to try Mesa 12aT7s in V6 and V2. Also a Mesa SP12Ax7 or Tungsol Goldpin12x7 in V1 in your 25..
You'll be able to dial more bass/lows (and other preamp rotaries) without flub, and smoother highs will be yours.
Turns the amp into an absolute beast resembling its bigger counterpart more. Sweetens those cleans a bit too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7epyD2QUm0E Through a 2x12 horizontal recto cab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8LQvpWFhM Through a 1x12 Mesa Widebody ported cab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5F6_b2cLoE Through both
Maybe keep both and you're equipped for every situation..plus slaving a cranking V:25 into the 90w power section is something you just gotta try/hear!! hahaha
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Re: Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by KKND83 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:19 am

Thanks a lot for the reply and the links, awesome advice indeed. I would love to have access to channel 2 in the mark V knowing that I love to have variety in tones from one amp. Tweed, edge and Mark 1 are all tones (modes) that I know I will use for anything from Blues to classic rock to smooth singing leads.

Once again, thanks!

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Re: Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by Markageddon » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:56 am

Yeah you'll be in heaven for sure with those...!!!
You're welcome.
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Re: Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by TStone2 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:56 am

I tend to live in channel 2 (all modes) with the MV 90w. I need to spend more time in channel 3 to get it to my tastes. Channel 1 is awesome as well. Still learning this beast, kind of fun I like !
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Re: Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by KKND83 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:18 am

Awesome, good to hear that!

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Re: Upgrading from Mark V 25 to Mark V

Post by JD1965 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:22 pm

Markageddon’s remarks?

Spot on!

I upgraded from an Express 5:50 plus combo in late July to a 90w Mark V combo.

Why?

I got a taste of the ‘burn’ mode in the previous amp’s blues/burn channel and needed a third channel to be able to toggle back and forth between delicious, clean channel, 'blues' mode of the second channel and a more thickly saturated “Santana-esque’ tones via footswitch.

The Mark V features an amazing clean channel with plenty o’ headroom in the 90w mode. Tweed is as good a punchy, clean tone as you’ll ever find in a combo.

And the two dirty channels have enough variety to satisfy almost
any player.

Six weeks in and I’m thinking ‘best amp I’ve ever owned,’ primarily for versatility (the Express plus was no slouch there either) and quality of tone.

Things to know that I can’t articulate as well as Markageddon:

• Patience Grasshoppa - there are so many front and rear panel options that it can be overwhelming. If you’re thinking, ‘Gimme my tones NOW,’ Fahgettabout it! You need to spend time with this thing to find out where they are.

• The beast be heavy. Get yer casters on it or use the head and a cabinet.

If you’re happy with your Mark V 25, I’d be surprised if you didn’t dig the full Mark V more.

JD

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