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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:38 pm 
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Here is an interesting find.... I tried the exact same set up using the Ebtech LLS-2 with the TC-50 and did not notice any change in volume or effect, actually the Line6 DL4 sounded better with the TC-50 even when connected left side: send +4db to input -10dbu, right side output -10dbu to +4dbu to return. I expected some signal level loss and effect presence to be different but it sounded no different with or without the Ebtech LLS-2 in the circuit.

I have looked at the G-System instructions and information regarding the Mark V and the impedance miss-match may be the key ingredient with the Mark V loop (reference to the send output impedance and the return input impedance). With the same gear hooked up to the Mark V, the extreme compression may have been eliminated but the overall effect was limited or lacking content.

the Strymon delays I have as well as their reverb pedal work well without any noticeable tone loss. Those would include the DIG, Brigadier, Big Sky. The other pedal I do have that works well is the Boss Terra Echo. I am not sure on the flashback X4 but the X3 does have some tone loss when used with the Mark V. Actually I tried it with the other amps too and not really fond with it. Maybe I messed it up with the Tone print thing, I should probably figure out how to resort factory settings and try again. For what I really wanted, the L6 DL4 and the TC Flaskback X3 just to not fit my needs but they work OK with the Bass.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:51 pm 
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You can use any device that has a +8dBu input rating. Check the specs for the device in question, if nothing is in print about input signal level stated as +8dBu, or + 5.78dBv or higher, it will not work with the Mark V FX loop. I did a simple test to determine the signal strength of the FX send at noon. Note that a +4dBu input level may not be high enough as the Mark V can supply a bit higher than that signal strength (depending on how you are running the amp). All is dependent on tone controls, gain setting and channel master volume. The global master has no effect on the loop signal. The Send level will also have a huge impact on the signal strength. If you notice tone loss, excess compression, or reduction in effect level, back off the send signal control as this may indicate the input buffer is being overloaded in the first effect in the loop. Here is a link to my testing of the Mark V (90W model).

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:28 pm 
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So i got the Eventide Timefactor and I've had it for about a week, and it is what I've been missing and is a game changer for me. I wish i would have had it all along as i have definitely been missing out.
Thanks to everyone who recommend it as it gets along very well with the Mark V.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:00 am 
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kreatorkills wrote:
So i got the Eventide Timefactor and I've had it for about a week, and it is what I've been missing and is a game changer for me. I wish i would have had it all along as i have definitely been missing out.
Thanks to everyone who recommend it as it gets along very well with the Mark V.


Good to know, I looked at the manual, did not specify the line level specifications but at least it has an input switch for instrument or guitar to line level. I would be assuming you have the input switched to line level on the rear panel.

Note that Mesa is not the only amp manufacturer using line level FX loop signals. It is more common than now than it was in the past (actually not many amps had FX loops 20+ years ago).

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:09 am 
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TC Flashback 2 here - had it a few months and rarely turn it off now, just makes everything sound better.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:47 am 
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oly wrote:
TC Flashback 2 here - had it a few months and rarely turn it off now, just makes everything sound better.


But are you running it in the loop of a Mark V? I just got both a Mark V and a Flashback 2 and while the Flashback works fine in the loop of a couple of my other amps, I am having clipping problems with the Mark V.

After reading the threads here...I've tried turning down the send knob level on back of amp. I've tried making sure the channel masters are lower than the main output level. Really frustrated as sometimes I can tweak it to work on Channel one with really low gain and low volumes on 90W but can't get it to work across the board on all channels with my typical settings.

I know some are using a 12AT7 in V4 (and/or V6). Would that help this particular issue? If so, let me know which V4, V6 or both.

Hoping to get this to work more flexibly without having to get some line level adjust device.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:46 am 
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Hi,

I think some here have said the Flashback is not “compatible” with the Mark V LOOP. I use the Flashback X4 in the LOOP and it does not clip. However, the “wet” volume is limited by the line level signal somehow (I think the Flashback X4 wet signal is saturated because as I turn up the SEND level, the “dry” volume increases but the “wet” does not increase with it). Anyhoo, I have the SEND level at about 10:30 or 11:00 and the “wet” signal seems about as balanced (similar to the Flashback X4 out in front of the amp).

Not sure what to conclude based on what you’ve said. Maybe more tweaking with the SEND level or maybe try a different Flashback model or different delay brand altogether.

I’m sure Mesa had a reason for making the LOOP level in the Mark V different than all their other amps, and it would be interesting to know that reason.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:52 am 
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Hi,

I believe the mark V loop is Line Level not instrument level and was designed to work with studio grade line level effects. Many stomp boxes are instrument level which is why they dont play too well with the Mark V. Some can handle the higher level signal though. The best bet is to try to keep the channel masters and the amps send level as low as you can. Not ideal though. Otherwise those effects just aint gonna jive with the five without some form of line to instrument level shifter, and back up again post effect / before return of the amp.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:08 am 
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Thaks for the replies guys...

I wish I would have found this site before I bought the Flashback. I'll keep tweaking or just replace it with a line level delay.

I did check out the TC Electronic site before purchase wondering how it would perform in an FX loop. According to TCE "Knowledge Base":

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Is it possible to run the TonePrint pedals in an Line Level Effects Loops (Send/Return) of an Tube Amp ? 0 - +6 dB?

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Yes. The entire line of TonePrint pedals have a very wide gain range and are designed to run at both instrument and line level.

There are few amps such as the CAE OD100, which is capable of running a much hotter than regular +4dBu line level signals because of the way their effect loops are designed - with these amps you can basically use the amp send level as a type of master volume. For those models it might be possible to get the input to clip, but for 99% of all amps, the TonePrint pedals will work just fine.


Guess I never saw myself as being in the 1% :lol: :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:21 pm 
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If the pedal can handle line level ( +4 Db ) then it should handle the Mark V loop. The Mark V's loop is very hot though, i wouldn't be surprised if it creeps up a fair way past +4 Db. Gotta keep those levels low, FX send and channel masters i guess.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:22 am 
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I use the TC flashback in the loop and it sounds phantastic. I use AX7s only and the loop level in middle position. CH3 sets the highest level for CH1 and CH2 and it is set about 8:30 on extreme. When the CH volume is set higher then 8:30 I hear some distrotion and or a lack of headroom getting introduced from the EQ section - that happenes by far earlier than any distortion in the flashback.

I own the good ol' flashback as well as a flashback mini - TC claims the two pedals to work and sound the same, but actually they don't. The standard flashback sounds by far superior when it comes to clearity and signal headroom. I'm not shure how the flashback 2 sounds, but from my experience the newer TC toneprint generations do not sound as good as the first generation pedals.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:02 pm 
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Hmmm.. I have not paid any attention at all to what the MASTERs are set at. Usually between 10 and 12 o’clock on all channels. I’ll have to maybe play around a bit with those to see if the Flashback X4 is a bit more forgiving in the LOOP. But, my issue was never distortion, it was just that the “wet” signal was was less than with other amps. Which resulted in me making X4 presets on the Rectoverb LOOP (where the computer is) and then going to practice with the Mark V and wondering why the X4 “wet” sounds were barely audible.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:33 pm 
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mace wrote:
...it was just that the “wet” signal was was less than with other amps. Which resulted in me making X4 presets on the Rectoverb LOOP (where the computer is) and then going to practice with the Mark V and wondering why the X4 “wet” sounds were barely audible.


Mace...that is an interesting thought. Maybe that is what is happening for me. I will recheck with a new listen for that distinction. Indeed the distortion I mention could simply be lack of wet signal? Dunno. But I will tweak away. I was hand wringing over a new Mark V vs. JP2c and the versatility of the Mark V won me over. What sealed it was the store got a mint used Mark V so it seemed destined. Been happy with the amp overall just frustrated with getting the delays setup in the loop.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:38 pm 
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Have a new Mark V coming in and need some advice on what delay pedals are being used in the effects loop. Was also thinking of a Line 6 HX FX or a Line 6 HX Stomp for multiple effects or 4 cm. Thanks for the help.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:42 pm 
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Boss DD-500 works flawlessly.. and sounds gorgeous :)

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