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Random Mark V chat...

Post by screamingdaisy » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:01 pm

Sometimes I think of stuff that I don't think is important or interesting enough for it's own thread, so I'm going to start this one and post to it whenever I think of something idle to chat about.

First up... power.

I tried setting all three channels up on different settings. It was a win and a fail all at the same time.

The fail was setting channel 2 (crunch) to 45w and channel 3 (Mark IV) to 90w. In theory it was good... some more compression on the crunch tones and some more power/articulation on the lead/heavy rhythm tones. It sounded great at home, then totally fell apart at rehearsal. Channel 3 on 90w was wide and dynamic while channel 2 on 45w was thin and narrow. I wound up bumping it up to 90w to make it more comparable.

The win was that I was running channel 1 on 45w with the tube rectifier on. I theorize that using the tube rectifier drops my headroom down to 30w or 35w... but it's just a guess. I assume that most people are like me in that they've struggled with going from clean to dirty in a mix. Usually clean sounds big and bold with a very full sound, then dirty sounds thin and wimpy unless it's accompanied by a pretty significant volume increase. Dropping the clean channel's power adds some nice drive/compression and bounce to the clean channel. It also thins the sound out slightly, which makes it a better match switching between clean and high gain without needing to rely on the big volume increase to thicken things up (although I did still need a slight volume increase).
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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by boogieman60 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:18 am

I havn't had success running mixed power settings either. I think it throws the volume balance off too much. For smaller gigs I have been running 45wts and been getting great sounds at reasonable volumes. But 90 wts offers the best headroom and clarity. But for recording , those options are great...
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Post by Hendog » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:04 pm

I want the 10watt or 45watt setting to work for me on the CH1, but it does not. I need the open, full sound of 90 watts.

The tube rectified 10/45 watt settings are supposed to sound more "vintage" or "saggy" or something but I just hear less balls and less volume.
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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by phyrexia » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:48 pm

90/45/90 for me, when i'm playing in the band.

i like 10w ch1 a lot but only at home. it compresses it and smooths out and it's just wonderful.
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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by screamingdaisy » Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:00 pm

Today I learned something about the volume levels...

I've been having trouble getting really defined palm mutes out of channels 2 (crunch) and 3 (Mk IV) lately. I wasn't sure why and kept fiddling with my bright switch, gain levels, presence, etc... could never get them to clean up. It was kind of frustrating.

Then for some reason I turned down the channel master down to around 9:30, then pumped the master output knob up in volume so that it was just as loud as it was before. Palm mutes were suddenly awesome once again. I wound up bringing my gain and presence back up to their normal settings and the amp was as I remembered it being before.

My theory is that the channel masters being set too high started overdriving the FX loop, thus adding compression and loosing definition.
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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by MBJunkie » Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:39 pm

screamingdaisy:

I think this is an interesting thread and a great idea. I'd be willing to bet that all of us will move into "new territory with their V" with other posters ideas after we have all felt like we have "settled into our individual territory with setting of the V"!

For example, I am already intrigued that most posters so far shy away from the 10W mode.

In my opinion, it is my go to mode for all channels while rehearsing with my band. Not because 10W is necessarily lower volume.....I the sweet sounds that I can achieve in each channel at 10W and still have plenty of volume to cut through the mix in my band.

While it is true, I could easily "fart out" the nicest characteristics of the amps sounds in all channels using the 10W setting while rehearsing with my band.....I choose to not do this.

How one may ask? I am able to achieve excellent sounds in all channels by balancing the individual channel gains and volume controls with the master volume control. I tend to run my overall master volume level at 12 - 1 o'clock with my master volumes varying from 10 - 12 o'clock depending upon which mode. Clearly, my channel volume levels are set lower when using either Tweed or Extreme modes.

When using 10W power for each channel it is also very important to be careful with GEQ settings (sliders or preset knob)...which I am. Too high of the lower two slider bass settings will result in crap quickly.....too high of preset knob (which I don't use except channel 1 clean or fat modes) sounds like even worse crap sooner.

Don't get me wrong, I also love the sounds I can achieve using the 45 and 90W mode settings.

However, one should really give the 10W mode a good chance before dissing IMO because I feel that excellent tones reside in that mode at gigable volumes for all channels when set appropriately. This is especially true if you normally mic the amp anyway. My .02

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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by Rkorn » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:25 pm

screamingdaisy: I've been finding your opinions extremely valid, direct and experienced.
I'm proud to say that i'm now a true member of this forum, as the Mark V is sitting right beside me.
Any observations someone would like to make? I mainly play extreme metal, but none of that chugga chugga type of sound!

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Post by screamingdaisy » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:10 pm

Rkorn wrote:Any observations someone would like to make? I mainly play extreme metal, but none of that chugga chugga type of sound!
Mark IV, bright on, treble up around 1:00 - 1:30, then experiment with the preset knob until you find the sound you're after. I find the preset knob to do a very good job of scooping the mids without totally scooping the mids. It's suspect they designed it to take the mids out in a surgical manner, so it can take out the 'bad' mids while leaving as much of the 'good' mids intact.

The trick is that you need to give your ears time to adjust to it. I hated the preset knob for the longest time because I felt it was overly bright, but now that I'm used to it I find it really hard to use the sliders as I feel they're not as 'precise' as the preset when it comes to cutting out the mids.

The above goes for both 'chugga chugga' stuff and single note stuff riffing... the only difference to me is where I set the preset knob... the further to the right you go the 'bigger' and more scooped the sound, so great for power chord riffing. As you bring it back towards 12:00 however it brings more mids out and single notes start to pop out more. I usually park mine around 2:00.
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Post by screamingdaisy » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:13 pm

Oh... and if you're into that djent type tone try using extreme mode with the preset all the way to the right. With the right technique I found it cuts off harder/faster than a noise gate.
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Post by Rkorn » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:52 pm

I'll be trying that that is for sure.
I really like the presence knob. I come from a 6505 and if that sounded to bright, give that peavey a try... lol

One thing that is bugging me for some time... I really feel the amp does sound diferent, in a strange way, with anyother guitars. At first I thought it's the guitar, than I knew it could not be the guitar, since mine is better than a lot others that I tried.
Now i notice if its due to the tuning, obviously there are tone changes, but mine being tuned in standard C it seems that amp lacks a bit of... spunk... it does sound great, that spunk is taken care of in eq, but still...
Have you guys noticed this?? maybe is just me or are the amps designed for better use in standard tune?

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Post by boogieman60 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:37 pm

SD, your comment about the channel masters is right on...I think thats why some are having problems with hiss, screeching and so forth..Never had those problems..run my amp master up around 10/11:00. channel Masters to balance out..Gain to get your sound. That amp volume master is the ticket...
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Post by Rkorn » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:15 pm

When I plugged it for the first time the amp made some odd noises, it seemed like the noise of wind outside on a winters night.
Today it happened again, but then I plugged the amp to a current stabilizer and practiced with the band for 2 hours straight.. with a considerable volume, than the noise was gone.
Do you think this noises came from the irregular current or was from some components settling? I believe it came from the components, as after I plugged, seconds later, the noises were still there, the stopped after the practice.

By the way, i'm very much liking the Mark IV settings with 45w. 90 watts it seems like you lose some clarity. This week i'll be spending some time in extreme to see if it suits me better...

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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by Rkorn » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:26 pm

Another thing...
On channel 2 I don't hear any difference between thick and normal more, is this normal??

I can't also seem to find a decent sound on extreme... The IVmode on The other hand can be very very... Furious :)

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Post by 4406cuda » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:52 pm

Normail and thick on channel 2 works only for the Mark 1 mode.
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Re: Random Mark V chat...

Post by Rkorn » Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:35 pm

4406cuda: thanks for your reply. I just read the manual before I read your answer! Still, thanks!!
regarding the previous post... any comments???

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