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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:05 pm 
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Rob9874 wrote:
On a separate topic, on Channel 2, my low strings palm-muted sound real muddy. To fix it, I have to turn the bass knob all the way down. I can use the bass on the EQ and it sounds good, but wonder why I have to have the bass knob all the way down. I'm using gain around 2:00-3:00. Wonder if it's my pickup, pickup height, or if something could be wrong with the speaker. I'm playing it through a slanted 1x12 Mesa cab. Anyone else have issues with using the bass knob on Channel 2?


I realized I didn't quite read your post properly on my first reply. What you're experiencing sounds normal. If you watch Mesa's video with Andy Timmons you'll notice that Doug West specifies to reduce the bass knob when you increase gain on channel 2. Your gain setting at 2 or 3 o'clock is a lot of gain, so your ears have steered you correctly to drop the bass. You can get away with adding a tad more bass at lower volumes, but I am guessing you are playing at higher volumes?

Do you turn the bass knob down completely to reign things in regardless of volume?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:11 am 
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31220 wrote:
Rob9874 wrote:
On a separate topic, on Channel 2, my low strings palm-muted sound real muddy. To fix it, I have to turn the bass knob all the way down. I can use the bass on the EQ and it sounds good, but wonder why I have to have the bass knob all the way down. I'm using gain around 2:00-3:00. Wonder if it's my pickup, pickup height, or if something could be wrong with the speaker. I'm playing it through a slanted 1x12 Mesa cab. Anyone else have issues with using the bass knob on Channel 2?


I realized I didn't quite read your post properly on my first reply. What you're experiencing sounds normal. If you watch Mesa's video with Andy Timmons you'll notice that Doug West specifies to reduce the bass knob when you increase gain on channel 2. Your gain setting at 2 or 3 o'clock is a lot of gain, so your ears have steered you correctly to drop the bass. You can get away with adding a tad more bass at lower volumes, but I am guessing you are playing at higher volumes?

Do you turn the bass knob down completely to reign things in regardless of volume?


I've been experimenting with it all the way down and up to maybe 9 o'clock. Doesn't make much difference between the two. I get better bass response from the first 2 sliders on the EQ. Spoke with a buddy of mine who's had a Mesa for years, and he said that's common for Mesa's and that he plays with his bass down as well. You're right, I am driving quite a bit of gain. Not looking for a muddy modern metal sound, but a high gain 80's metal. Getting real close to the sound I want.

PS - Apologies for the Photobucket thing. First time that's happened to me.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:50 am 
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I’m late to this thread, and I’m also a first time poster/long time lurker. I’m also a metal head, but more old school (early Metallica, Maiden, etc), but while metal is my love, I’m into all kinds of music.

I got my Mark V25 back in April and I have been playing it a lot in it’s completely stock state. I absolutely love the amp, and have been floored by the clean tones I get in Fat mode from my RG752 with a Crunch Lab in split coil. Add a little TC tri chorus and it’s gorgeous.

But I’m drifting from what I wanted to say. I wonder if people that are having a hard time with taming treble or having to dial back the bass while looking for higher gain sounds aren missing a couple of key points. As it pertains to 80’s metal, particularly early to mid 80’s metal, the gain available, let alone used by some of the best of the day (I’m thinking Maiden) was lower than the levels available today. If you want to dial in that tone dialing back the gain is in order. In fact, even by today’s standards Petrucci himself keeps the gain modest and bass way down in every amp setting video I’ve seen of his. At least for his rhythm work. (For the record, I used his Mark V settings videos as the starting point in my exploration of this amp) You’re not going to sound huge like Angus if you dial up the gain, it’s the fact he dials in just enough to get the job done while cranking his amp that gives his lead tone such size and presence. It’s simply less compressed.

Also I think the guitar your playing and especially the pickups matter, probably more than anything when building your sound. My main guitars are Ibanez RG752, Ibanez JS2450, Gibson Les Paul Standard, Gibson ES-335 and a Gibson J45. They all sound great through my V25, but they are all very different and the amp responds accordingly. My RG752 is king for my clean tone, but it doesn’t do every gain tone I want. The JS does what the RG doesn’t do for me, and thus the two guitars have settled in as my go to guitars. The RG has higher output pickups in it, so it behaves differently than the JS at the same amp settings. Pickup height matters too.

In the seven months or so that I’ve had this amp the only thing I’d like to play with is putting an SPAX7 in V1 just to see if the noise floor drops. Other than that, I’ve been completely happy with the stock tubes. Oh, and I run it through a 1x12 open back wide body compact Mesa cab, but I spend more time with the direct signal to my Interface (Safire Pro40).

I’m sure none of what I’ve said is really new to anyone on this board, but after reading countless posts about people struggling with treble/presence/gain or flubby bass, I couldn’t help but wonder if stepping back and thinking about fundamentals that come before the amp might help some people.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:53 pm 
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Hey, does anyone have any suggestions for EVH "brown sound" settings. I'm sure it's in this amp somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:17 pm 
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Check out this video for a kick ass setting on the channel 1 crunch mode.

https://youtu.be/WMXPNSvR_EE

I tried it out the other night and it blew me away. It sounds even better live than in this video. I’ve been playing on the extreme mode up till now, but this made me question that. Give it a shot.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:09 am 
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Jfriley wrote:
Check out this video for a kick ass setting on the channel 1 crunch mode.

https://youtu.be/WMXPNSvR_EE

I tried it out the other night and it blew me away. It sounds even better live than in this video. I’ve been playing on the extreme mode up till now, but this made me question that. Give it a shot.


Sounds pretty killer. Can't wait to try it myself. I too have been playing on Channel 2 for crunch, but have weaned myself off of Extreme. I think we have a tendency to want to go to the most saturated channel. But this video proves that sometimes less is more.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:14 pm 
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I dialed it in last night on my 35 and it sounded amazing. I haven't been able to make the plunge yet and change all my settings, but it 100% works. Right now I still need a clean channel, so I'm sticking with Xtreme, but damn that channel 1 Crunch!

(on xtreme I use the 10 Watt mode as it gets too loud otherwise...I'm thinking about switching to the Mark 2c or 4 modes, but bumping up to the 35 Watt mode. Clearly, Tone chasing is a disease...)


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:38 pm 
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Jfriley wrote:
Check out this video for a kick ass setting on the channel 1 crunch mode.

https://youtu.be/WMXPNSvR_EE

I tried it out the other night and it blew me away. It sounds even better live than in this video. I’ve been playing on the extreme mode up till now, but this made me question that. Give it a shot.


Thanks man, these settings sound pretty nice! Might allow me to use Channel 2 differently.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:42 pm 
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I have been working on setting up a "silent" recording and headphone jam voicing for the blues on my V:25. It has not been too hard, but as with all things I am always tweaking. I am pretty satisfied with this one though it is probably not something others may be looking for for blues/gritty clean. In any case in case it is of use to someone I thought I would post it as it is not higher gain settings and uses Cab Clone. Most of the Cab Clone demos of the V:25 I have seen are high gain, or at least more gain than I typically use. A quick blues based piece put together to demonstrate a silent recording and jam set up using the Cab Clone feature in the V:25. Single line and chordal material. Ignore the errors.

So, this is my V:25 direct to Presonus AudioBox. No processing or effects just some reverb from the amp. I am mostly a lurker so I hope this is OK. I am not sure how to link YouTube here either.

https://youtu.be/DhfxMzPWHsQ

The picture of the amp setting here. I used the 5 band as well in this case.

- The the Cab selected is the 4x12 closed.
- Clean Channel Crunch setting
- Gain 1pm, Treble 1pm, Mid 1pm, Bass 11am, Presence Noon, Master 8:30am.
- 5 Band 80 juust under line,, 240 & 750 center, 2200 just under with 6600 about 3 slider widths below.
- Guitar SG Standard 36th DZ in bridge
- Guitar Volume about 4 and tone control about 4.
- Direct from cab out to input channel 1 of the PreSonus AudioBox.
- Reverb is the amp. No effects or processing.

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