Santana tone with 525 exp+

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Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by rjw » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:11 am

Anyone have a setting for a near Santana sound with a 525 exp+ w/ 1 x 12" speaker (Shadow) This is not a combo
note : Humbucker les paul

thx

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by jazzphan89 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:26 pm

When I had mine (now use a 5:50+ combo and loving it) I would set the amp to the Burn mode (Clock face Settings)

Gain - 9:00 (9:30 - 10)
Treble - 12
Mid - 12
Bass - 10
Reverb - I turned it off but at 9 works when I had it one
Master - 11

25W or 15W modes

I used a Fryette Power Station to keep the overall volume in check while still being able to open up the amp.
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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by rjw » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:43 am

thanks, I'll try that

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by Newysurfer » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:22 am

rjw wrote:thanks, I'll try that
Try it but I'll be surprised if it gives you a near Santana tone.
The 3 of you (Carlos, jazzphan and you) all have different amps.
Early Carlos was Mark 1-4, jazzphan has 5:50 & you have 5:25.

They all sound different and yours has el84 tubes.
The other 2 have 6L6.
Plus jazzphan cranked the tubes with a $600 power attenuator.
He's got master on 11 :mrgreen:
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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by jazzphan89 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:46 am

Newysurfer wrote:
rjw wrote:thanks, I'll try that
Try it but I'll be surprised if it gives you a near Santana tone.
The 3 of you (Carlos, jazzphan and you) all have different amps.
Early Carlos was Mark 1-4, jazzphan has 5:50 & you have 5:25.

They all sound different and yours has el84 tubes.
The other 2 have 6L6.
Plus jazzphan cranked the tubes with a $600 power attenuator.
He's got master on 11 :mrgreen:
I agree. My tones were in the dumble vein when using the 5:25+ but they were a hair aggressive which I think is part of the Santana sound. However, another big part with his tone is sheer volume which is tough even without a attenuator! The Fryette is real helpful with using my Mesa at home
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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by Newysurfer » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:22 pm

jazzphan89 wrote:
Newysurfer wrote:
rjw wrote:thanks, I'll try that
Try it but I'll be surprised if it gives you a near Santana tone.
The 3 of you (Carlos, jazzphan and you) all have different amps.
Early Carlos was Mark 1-4, jazzphan has 5:50 & you have 5:25.

They all sound different and yours has el84 tubes.
The other 2 have 6L6.
Plus jazzphan cranked the tubes with a $600 power attenuator.
He's got master on 11 :mrgreen:
I agree. My tones were in the dumble vein when using the 5:25+ but they were a hair aggressive which I think is part of the Santana sound. However, another big part with his tone is sheer volume which is tough even without a attenuator! The Fryette is real helpful with using my Mesa at home
hey Jazzphan - i'm interested in the Fryette.
Do you mind giving us your review in it, particularly its attenuation (I know it does several things)
- Is it transparent in not changing base amp tone right thru its range?
- Does the attenuation dial work smoothly or is it jumpy?
- I see it has a loop - how does this work - if you're already using the Express loop for delay etc do you also have to use the Fryette loop or do you bypass it.....and does the Fryette effect tone of effect pedals ?
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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by jazzphan89 » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:20 am


hey Jazzphan - i'm interested in the Fryette.
Do you mind giving us your review in it, particularly its attenuation (I know it does several things)
- Is it transparent in not changing base amp tone right thru its range?
- Does the attenuation dial work smoothly or is it jumpy?
- I see it has a loop - how does this work - if you're already using the Express loop for delay etc do you also have to use the Fryette loop or do you bypass it.....and does the Fryette effect tone of effect pedals ?
I'd say it's very transparent - the attenuator is a reactive load, so the amp "thinks" it's feeling a speaker on the other end and responds like it normally would. That being said, like all attenuators you notice a loss in high end and tonal flunctuations as the amp changes overall volume, however the PS has 3 switches that are a flat EQ/bright EQ/"Edge" EQ (more presence Id say) and these EQ switches matched with the presence and depth knobs make it so you can get the PS to be almost transparent while maintaining feel/tone at lower volumes.

Because of it's design, the PS has a very smooth taper on the volume knob. No "clicks" like the Rivera Rockcrusher. The wattage of your amp dictates (I think) how much attenuation is possible before unity volume is achieved. In my experience, the higher wattage of the original amp, the higher attenuation threshold. The specs on the PS are that it's a 50W 6L6 power amp, and I have not tried plugging into it with a higher than 50W amp - I know guys that run their SLO's into it so it should be fine for plexi style amps and such as well. That being said, the attenuation can get jumpy at times, but great tone is achievable at almost all volume levels and much more so than other attenuators i've used.

The attenuation feature is the most-widely used option for me - but definitely not the only reason I bought it! I'm a big deadhead, and I really want a twin reverb type preamp, so I could used the PS as 50W 6L6 power amp - pretty cool option. It has line in and line out options, so you can essentially give any tube amp a line out to run to FOH or if you want to do some late night recording with your DAW.

The Loop - the loop is fantastic. It's post power amp, and the delay repeats are pristine and not affected at all by what the volume levels are set at. If I have my Express 5:50 cranked to power tube breakup the repeats would get dirty, not the case with a PS. Also, you can add an effects loop to any amp that doesn't have one, like say your old favorite champ or small amp like that. It is also a reamper, similar to a Bad Cat Unleash but I preferred this to the Bad Cat I tried. That means that you can turn any amp into 50W 6L6 monster that can hang with a drummer. Is this an issue with the Express 5:50+? Yes and no. No in terms that I already have a 50W option available to me without the PS, but yes because - say my favorite sound is the 5W class A, but when it's at drummer volume I can't even hear myself. Not anymore - with the PS I can slave that 5W sound to the 6L6 power amp and bring the volume up to hang with a drummer, essentially making your small amp sound big.

I'm not the best with technical information, but I hope that helps a little bit. I can record with the line out into my DAW and show you how that works too.

This thing cost all the dollars though, but it's definitely worth it if you can divide out the feature set. It was $600ish shipped to my door. It's an attenuator/reamper/line in/line out/effects loop/tube power amp and probably can do a few other things. When you do that, it's about a $100 a feature - not to mention the attenuator is world-class. Seriously. On the flip side, you have to have a justification to use all the features.

Oh, one more cool thing I like about mine. Managaging stage volume/backup amp. We all know tube amps sound great louder, but at that volume the sound guy is having a conniption. You can get that feel and sound you love with your amp, then use the PS to reign the overall dB back in, or send it to FOH without having to mic (I also mic, so I can mix the two spreads) Also, if your main amp ever dies, you can plug right into the PS and get through a gig that way if you had to - I keep a small preamp pedal in my bag just in case, but any OD pedal is technically a preamp pedal and can work.

I hope this helps!

Here are some links to great discussion on the Gear Page about this unit - but if you're on the fence I definitely recommend it!

the gear page Fryette Power Station sit ... arpage.net
Gibson ES339
Gibson Les Paul Studio (WCR Fillmores)
PRS DGT
Redplate CD2
Fryette Power Station

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by SteveB » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:44 pm

rjw wrote:Anyone have a setting for a near Santana sound with a 525 exp+ w/ 1 x 12" speaker (Shadow) This is not a combo
note : Humbucker les paul

thx
Hi rjw,
There is a fellow on this forum with the username revgsmall who has mentioned that he goes for a Santana tone with a 5:25+ and the PRS Santana guitar. You might want to pm him to get more info, or search for his posts.

Cheers,
Steve

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by amrose57 » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:35 pm

rjw wrote:Anyone have a setting for a near Santana sound with a 525 exp+ w/ 1 x 12" speaker (Shadow) This is not a combo
note : Humbucker les paul
thx
I've got a 5:25+ head and a Forte' 3D single 12" and the only way I get that Santana tone is with a Zendrive 2. the burn channel can come close, but I use the blues channel with the Zendrive to really get me there.

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by Newysurfer » Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:47 pm

jazzphan89 wrote:

hey Jazzphan - i'm interested in the Fryette.
Do you mind giving us your review in it, particularly its attenuation (I know it does several things)
- Is it transparent in not changing base amp tone right thru its range?
- Does the attenuation dial work smoothly or is it jumpy?
- I see it has a loop - how does this work - if you're already using the Express loop for delay etc do you also have to use the Fryette loop or do you bypass it.....and does the Fryette effect tone of effect pedals ?
I'd say it's very transparent - the attenuator is a reactive load, so the amp "thinks" it's feeling a speaker on the other end and responds like it normally would. That being said, like all attenuators you notice a loss in high end and tonal flunctuations as the amp changes overall volume, however the PS has 3 switches that are a flat EQ/bright EQ/"Edge" EQ (more presence Id say) and these EQ switches matched with the presence and depth knobs make it so you can get the PS to be almost transparent while maintaining feel/tone at lower volumes.

Because of it's design, the PS has a very smooth taper on the volume knob. No "clicks" like the Rivera Rockcrusher. The wattage of your amp dictates (I think) how much attenuation is possible before unity volume is achieved. In my experience, the higher wattage of the original amp, the higher attenuation threshold. The specs on the PS are that it's a 50W 6L6 power amp, and I have not tried plugging into it with a higher than 50W amp - I know guys that run their SLO's into it so it should be fine for plexi style amps and such as well. That being said, the attenuation can get jumpy at times, but great tone is achievable at almost all volume levels and much more so than other attenuators i've used.

The attenuation feature is the most-widely used option for me - but definitely not the only reason I bought it! I'm a big deadhead, and I really want a twin reverb type preamp, so I could used the PS as 50W 6L6 power amp - pretty cool option. It has line in and line out options, so you can essentially give any tube amp a line out to run to FOH or if you want to do some late night recording with your DAW.

The Loop - the loop is fantastic. It's post power amp, and the delay repeats are pristine and not affected at all by what the volume levels are set at. If I have my Express 5:50 cranked to power tube breakup the repeats would get dirty, not the case with a PS. Also, you can add an effects loop to any amp that doesn't have one, like say your old favorite champ or small amp like that. It is also a reamper, similar to a Bad Cat Unleash but I preferred this to the Bad Cat I tried. That means that you can turn any amp into 50W 6L6 monster that can hang with a drummer. Is this an issue with the Express 5:50+? Yes and no. No in terms that I already have a 50W option available to me without the PS, but yes because - say my favorite sound is the 5W class A, but when it's at drummer volume I can't even hear myself. Not anymore - with the PS I can slave that 5W sound to the 6L6 power amp and bring the volume up to hang with a drummer, essentially making your small amp sound big.

I'm not the best with technical information, but I hope that helps a little bit. I can record with the line out into my DAW and show you how that works too.

This thing cost all the dollars though, but it's definitely worth it if you can divide out the feature set. It was $600ish shipped to my door. It's an attenuator/reamper/line in/line out/effects loop/tube power amp and probably can do a few other things. When you do that, it's about a $100 a feature - not to mention the attenuator is world-class. Seriously. On the flip side, you have to have a justification to use all the features.

Oh, one more cool thing I like about mine. Managaging stage volume/backup amp. We all know tube amps sound great louder, but at that volume the sound guy is having a conniption. You can get that feel and sound you love with your amp, then use the PS to reign the overall dB back in, or send it to FOH without having to mic (I also mic, so I can mix the two spreads) Also, if your main amp ever dies, you can plug right into the PS and get through a gig that way if you had to - I keep a small preamp pedal in my bag just in case, but any OD pedal is technically a preamp pedal and can work.

I hope this helps!

Here are some links to great discussion on the Gear Page about this unit - but if you're on the fence I definitely recommend it!

the gear page Fryette Power Station sit ... arpage.net
thanks very much jazzphan - excellent review & sounds like a great unit :mrgreen:
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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by rjw » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:38 am

SteveB wrote:
rjw wrote:Anyone have a setting for a near Santana sound with a 525 exp+ w/ 1 x 12" speaker (Shadow) This is not a combo
note : Humbucker les paul

thx
Hi rjw,
There is a fellow on this forum with the username revgsmall who has mentioned that he goes for a Santana tone with a 5:25+ and the PRS Santana guitar. You might want to pm him to get more info, or search for his posts.

Cheers,
Steve
Been away for a while, so thanks...I'm back on it

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by rjw » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:05 pm

he's using a Mark 3 and prs

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by Newysurfer » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:19 am

jazzphan89 wrote:

hey Jazzphan - i'm interested in the Fryette.
Do you mind giving us your review in it, particularly its attenuation (I know it does several things)
- Is it transparent in not changing base amp tone right thru its range?
- Does the attenuation dial work smoothly or is it jumpy?
- I see it has a loop - how does this work - if you're already using the Express loop for delay etc do you also have to use the Fryette loop or do you bypass it.....and does the Fryette effect tone of effect pedals ?
I'd say it's very transparent - the attenuator is a reactive load, so the amp "thinks" it's feeling a speaker on the other end and responds like it normally would. That being said, like all attenuators you notice a loss in high end and tonal flunctuations as the amp changes overall volume, however the PS has 3 switches that are a flat EQ/bright EQ/"Edge" EQ (more presence Id say) and these EQ switches matched with the presence and depth knobs make it so you can get the PS to be almost transparent while maintaining feel/tone at lower volumes.

Because of it's design, the PS has a very smooth taper on the volume knob. No "clicks" like the Rivera Rockcrusher. The wattage of your amp dictates (I think) how much attenuation is possible before unity volume is achieved. In my experience, the higher wattage of the original amp, the higher attenuation threshold. The specs on the PS are that it's a 50W 6L6 power amp, and I have not tried plugging into it with a higher than 50W amp - I know guys that run their SLO's into it so it should be fine for plexi style amps and such as well. That being said, the attenuation can get jumpy at times, but great tone is achievable at almost all volume levels and much more so than other attenuators i've used.

The attenuation feature is the most-widely used option for me - but definitely not the only reason I bought it! I'm a big deadhead, and I really want a twin reverb type preamp, so I could used the PS as 50W 6L6 power amp - pretty cool option. It has line in and line out options, so you can essentially give any tube amp a line out to run to FOH or if you want to do some late night recording with your DAW.

The Loop - the loop is fantastic. It's post power amp, and the delay repeats are pristine and not affected at all by what the volume levels are set at. If I have my Express 5:50 cranked to power tube breakup the repeats would get dirty, not the case with a PS. Also, you can add an effects loop to any amp that doesn't have one, like say your old favorite champ or small amp like that. It is also a reamper, similar to a Bad Cat Unleash but I preferred this to the Bad Cat I tried. That means that you can turn any amp into 50W 6L6 monster that can hang with a drummer. Is this an issue with the Express 5:50+? Yes and no. No in terms that I already have a 50W option available to me without the PS, but yes because - say my favorite sound is the 5W class A, but when it's at drummer volume I can't even hear myself. Not anymore - with the PS I can slave that 5W sound to the 6L6 power amp and bring the volume up to hang with a drummer, essentially making your small amp sound big.

I'm not the best with technical information, but I hope that helps a little bit. I can record with the line out into my DAW and show you how that works too.

This thing cost all the dollars though, but it's definitely worth it if you can divide out the feature set. It was $600ish shipped to my door. It's an attenuator/reamper/line in/line out/effects loop/tube power amp and probably can do a few other things. When you do that, it's about a $100 a feature - not to mention the attenuator is world-class. Seriously. On the flip side, you have to have a justification to use all the features.

Oh, one more cool thing I like about mine. Managaging stage volume/backup amp. We all know tube amps sound great louder, but at that volume the sound guy is having a conniption. You can get that feel and sound you love with your amp, then use the PS to reign the overall dB back in, or send it to FOH without having to mic (I also mic, so I can mix the two spreads) Also, if your main amp ever dies, you can plug right into the PS and get through a gig that way if you had to - I keep a small preamp pedal in my bag just in case, but any OD pedal is technically a preamp pedal and can work.

I hope this helps!

Here are some links to great discussion on the Gear Page about this unit - but if you're on the fence I definitely recommend it!

the gear page Fryette Power Station sit ... arpage.net
Thanks again for the great review.
I've sent you a PM asking for advice on cabling :)
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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by jazzphan89 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:55 pm

Hey there,

I got an internal error when trying to reply, so here's what I wrote:

You can just pick up a regular speaker cable, the longer the cable the heavier the gauge though to support the current going through it.

Mesa speaker out > Speaker cable > PS Amp In (select correct ohm) > PS speaker out 1 > Mesa speaker or extension speaker.

You have to have one plugged in at least, but two works fine as well. They should match ohms, Im not too up on parallel wiring so if you have a mismatched load Id probably email Fryette about it.

Fryette only provides the power cord, so you'll need two speaker cables (male to male is correct) one going from your amp to the PS, and another going to your cab from the PS. If your speaker in your combo has a speaker cable already attached, just set the PS on top of your amp when you use it and it should reach no problem.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or there are a lot of guys on TGP with this. Once again, probably the best gear purchase I've made in awhile.
Gibson ES339
Gibson Les Paul Studio (WCR Fillmores)
PRS DGT
Redplate CD2
Fryette Power Station

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Re: Santana tone with 525 exp+

Post by Newysurfer » Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:42 pm

jazzphan89 wrote:Hey there,

I got an internal error when trying to reply, so here's what I wrote:

You can just pick up a regular speaker cable, the longer the cable the heavier the gauge though to support the current going through it.

Mesa speaker out > Speaker cable > PS Amp In (select correct ohm) > PS speaker out 1 > Mesa speaker or extension speaker.

You have to have one plugged in at least, but two works fine as well. They should match ohms, Im not too up on parallel wiring so if you have a mismatched load Id probably email Fryette about it.

Fryette only provides the power cord, so you'll need two speaker cables (male to male is correct) one going from your amp to the PS, and another going to your cab from the PS. If your speaker in your combo has a speaker cable already attached, just set the PS on top of your amp when you use it and it should reach no problem.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or there are a lot of guys on TGP with this. Once again, probably the best gear purchase I've made in awhile.
ok thanks very much again :)
my 5:50 original has a very short factory fitted cable from the combo speaker (with male plug) >> 8 ohm speaker jack so its not long enough to connect to a PS sitting on top.
Plus I sit my combo on a slanted stand so a PS would slide off.
So I'll need to either
a) make 1 speaker cable with male & female ends so I can extend the combo speaker cable ....or
b) make a single longer combo speaker cable & solder it direct to the speaker.

Was your existing speaker cable long enuf to sit the PS on top of the 5:50?
Gretsch Jet Firebird, Gretsch G5422, Gibson SG Deluxe, Strat Plus - Mesa 5:50, Mesa Mark V 25, analog pedal boards
Check my Mesa Soundclick recordings on http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... dID=792315

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