King of the Mark III's

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King of Mark III's

No stripe/dot
6
17%
Purple
3
8%
Red
9
25%
Blue
8
22%
Green
10
28%
 
Total votes: 36

deftone82
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by deftone82 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:06 am

hi guys

fairly new to Mesa Boogie, let alone Mark series amps...but I'm planning on buying a mark IV soon.
But first: I have to check if I like the TONE (really dude? Yeah really, now fcuk off).

Allready met the express 5:50, very nice amp and the first amp that quite gently grabbed me by the ballz!
So now I'm searching for a (secondhand) mark IV...after many conversations with friens, guitarists, shop-clerks etc...they recommend me to 'check-out' the mark IV. Havent had the chance to hear one yet.

Two weeks ago, I got the chance to test (shortly) a mark V. I mean waaaaaaaaaaaaaa...aaaa...aaaw. Sweet amp! Sweet tone, sweet look (yeah, woodfinish and all that), but in new condition: way over my budget.

In this topic I read alot of stuff like: they bought a mark III because they can't affort mark IV...are these two amps (unregarded the stripes) even closely comparable? is it possible to summarise the differences? Is it wise to also check out a mark III whilst I have the dinero to buy a (secondhand!) Mark IV?

if this helps: I want to be able to play a nice, not to muddy, distored/gainy rhythem stuff (think Metallica/Mastodon, some palm muting), so not the ultra-ultra-brutal shreeking-high lead gain tones (know what I mean?). Next also some nice, 'plucky', warm clean and if possible I would also like to shake out some Qotsa-like dirty crunchy stuff. So actualy, it has to be versatile! Another crucial thing: It had to sound good on low volumes.

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SonicProvocateur
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by SonicProvocateur » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:23 am

deftone82 wrote:
In this topic I read alot of stuff like: they bought a mark III because they can't affort mark IV...are these two amps (unregarded the stripes) even closely comparable? is it possible to summarise the differences? Is it wise to also check out a mark III whilst I have the dinero to buy a (secondhand!) Mark IV?

if this helps: I want to be able to play a nice, not to muddy, distored/gainy rhythem stuff (think Metallica/Mastodon, some palm muting), so not the ultra-ultra-brutal shreeking-high lead gain tones (know what I mean?). Next also some nice, 'plucky', warm clean and if possible I would also like to shake out some Qotsa-like dirty crunchy stuff. So actualy, it has to be versatile! Another crucial thing: It had to sound good on low volumes.
1) While surfing prices on Mark III's some guys will mark theirs rather high on ebay, but you can find some steals too. I got mine real cheap by buying just the chassis, but you can easily score a decent III for $650-800 id say if you're thrifty and lucky (might need a tune up if you score it really cheap, hey thats business). Make sure to surf craigslist and here on the boogieboard too. No reason to pay $1500 for a Mark III, unless you're just DYING for ultra-mint+exotic wood+all options. Mine has no verb, no EQ. etc. I use an EQ in the loop...BAM! Same tones.

2) Classic Metallica distortion? You got it! Mastodon? Use a Gibson (500T equipped), and high gain (OH TRUST ME, its so thick and rich, I love it). QOTSA? Pick your favorite fuzz and go to town! (the Mark is far too focused and articulate, plus QOTSA used bass amps and loose settings). Clean tones on the III are to die for; warm, woody and the best jazz tones one could dream of from a tube amp (imho). Versatility? Its all there bro. The Mark IV is pretty much the "same horse with a different color" as boggiebabies put it. Just the control layout is waaaay different (not push/pull), and is rediculously modular...and smoother. I like the rawness of the III though myself.
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by CoG » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:21 am

+1 on everything SonicProvocateur said with the qualification that you can't really get the gain-y rhythm stuff and the warm jazzy cleans *at the same time*, unless you have the R2 volume mod, use R2 for your cleans, don't use high-output pups and are a real guitar volume knob ninja.

I would say "low volumes" depends on, like, how low. I can get great tone without irritating my wife too much if she's in the house, but a Mark III is not a very good bedroom or "after the kids/parents/housemates are asleep" amp.
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SonicProvocateur
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by SonicProvocateur » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:55 pm

Truth. I have mine setup up so that I run R1 + Lead only, and my R1 is UNGODLY loud (and im a volume knob ninja lol), but I have mine set up for SCORCHING ultra-gain and when I switch to R1, I have to roll off the volume to lowlowlow to get my cleans (which works fine for me). The R2 volume mod is a great plus though, makes the amp much more balanced and gives me more tones to chose from on the rhythm side of sounds. The true downside of the Mark III, as CoG pointed out, and how I have to compensate in my playing, is the shared controls for R1 and lead. To get high gain, you have to have high settings, and it unbalances R1, but you can use R2 to compensate, to do like I do, and roll off the volume. Its a balancing act using 7 knobs to control 3 channels :D I find it the most fun i've ever had with an amp!

Volume...its definitely a tube amp...remember that a Boogie that runs at 60 watts is very capable of peaking well over that. Boogies are champions of power. With my master volume on less than 1 through my 2x12 its still soaking enough power to roll over a 45 watt solid state combo set to like 5 or 6. I normally gig with my master on 2ish, lead master 7.5. Gain city son! And yeah...still sounds amazing at low volumes. The Mark (to me) was alot harder to dial in "my tones" than the Express. Not quite as much of a point and shoot weapon, but the wonderful tweakability of the amp will never leaves me wanting, and that classic "umph" in every palm mute is unmistakable Mesa.
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tony777
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by tony777 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:25 am

I voted for the black dot, since that's the only MKIII I have :twisted:
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by treedroppings » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:50 am

Whatever they made in 1988-9! I sent Randall $$ until I had Mk3 with Simul-Class, wheels, a Celestion, and EQ.
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deftone82
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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by deftone82 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:32 am

SonicProvocateur wrote:
deftone82 wrote:....and is rediculously modular...and smoother
Which one are you talking 'bout here? III or IV?

so, conclusion: Do check this amp out if you're considering buying a Mark IV, because it's cheaper, it'll do all the things I want it to do and it's easier to dail in. Am I close?

One last thing: I found a manual of the III: it mentiones pull knobs all the time...quite strange, plus it has EQ. (sorry if this sounds stupid, I only just met the mark IV...took some time to figure out differences between edition A and B....

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Re: King of the Mark III's

Post by SonicProvocateur » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:21 pm

deftone82 wrote:
Which one are you talking 'bout here? III or IV?

so, conclusion: Do check this amp out if you're considering buying a Mark IV, because it's cheaper, it'll do all the things I want it to do and it's easier to dail in. Am I close?

One last thing: I found a manual of the III: it mentiones pull knobs all the time...
Yes Mark III's are much cheaper than a IV for the most part, and I believe its gonna do what you want it to do. Easier to dial in? Thats neither here or there really, it takes some getting used to. What the push/pull refers to is how the amps functions; it uses push/pull pots to utilize its multiple functions and tone voicing options.
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