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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:44 pm 
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I am unfortunately selling my Mark III Green Stripe. Bought it from a friend who needed the money. In return I told him if he ever wanted it back I would sell it to him. He took me up on the offer lol. I think I am going to take the money and just look for another. But debating on trying another stripe. Blue stripe seems to get some love. What's everyone's opinion on the different stripes? Looking for that scooped Hetfield tone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:13 pm 
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I've played a blue stripe and a purp, and honestly, I think I preferred the purp.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:02 pm 
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I like both Blue and Green the most.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:38 am 
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Wizard of Ozz wrote:
I like both Blue and Green the most.

What do you find the difference is between? What do you prefer?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:04 pm 
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Red stripe is the closet to a C+, although I really liked my no stripe DRG. I thought it was better than the blue stripe I owned at the same time, the no stripe was sonically thicker and not so agitated. The blue snarled and snorted all the time, aggressive.

Every Mark III is a monster and IMO the stripes aren't that different because so much depends on 1) guitar & pick-up, 2) speaker & cabinet choice, and 3) tubes! Don't worry about stripe so much as the condition the amp is in, and for heaven's sake, it has to have a GEQ, the only people who like those non-GEQ Mark III's are people who own one. It's a rare bird who prefers a non-GEQ Mark III for metal, and absolutely NO, a GEQ in the loop is not the same at all, not even a MESA GEQ in the loop.
All Mark III's rule all amps for metal goodness, they do do good clean too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:06 pm 
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RonZombie wrote:
Wizard of Ozz wrote:
I like both Blue and Green the most.

What do you find the difference is between? What do you prefer?


The outer pair of tubes are wired in triode in the Blue... all 4 tubes in the Green are in pentode = more power. And you can always add a pentode/triode switch. Subtle differences.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:24 pm 
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So I just pulled the trigger on a fully loaded Blue stripe 1x12 from Guitar Center in Chicago. $1075 shipped. Sounded like a fair price. Hopefully I'll have it by the end of the week.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:23 pm 
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RonZombie wrote:
So I just pulled the trigger on a fully loaded Blue stripe 1x12 from Guitar Center in Chicago. $1075 shipped. Sounded like a fair price. Hopefully I'll have it by the end of the week.


That sounds tasty. Nice score. Enjoy. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:35 pm 
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So the rocket scientist at Guitar Center can't tell Blue from Green. UPS delivered today and it's Green. I really wanted the lower power of the Blue. Has mismatched 6L6. Sounds a bit tinny. Debating whether or not to return it or sink a few bucks into tubes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:34 pm 
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This is all opinion but:

Black Stripe: Compared to a IIC+ it's "hairier". Early manufacture has 105 power transformers.

Purple Stripe: This revoiced the R2 mode in a unique way compared to reds onwards. It's considered the "mellowest" Mark III. Otherwise fairly similar to Black stripes. I know the least about the purple stripes, I think they were revoiced across modes to be less aggressive than the Black Stripes but I can't source that.

Red Stripe: Major revoicing of R2 for more gain. Preamp values in the lead circuit changed to more closely (but not exactly) match a IIC+. Slightly tighter voicing to black and purple stripes.

Blue Stripe: Retains revoiced R2 from the red stripe. Major revoicing across modes to sound hairer, brighter and tighter still, which gives it an abrasive quality relative to preceeding stripes. This has less to do with the removal of C30 as people often claim and more to do with the general revoicing in the amp to sound more "hairy". Power section is voiced more like a IIC+ but make no mistake, overall blues (and greens) are the most uniquely voiced Mark IIIs.

Green Stripe: Very similar to Blues, some slight component changes, and almost all were wired pentode only so are 95w rather than 75w. Slightly tighter as a result. There are apparently some 60/100w greens but Ive not seen this verified and they'd be extremely rare if it was true.

If you want a IIC+ and you're prepared to mod, get a black stripe. Failing that, anything except a green will work unless you want a pentode power section which has its own charm. If you want a IIC+ and you're not wanting to mod, get a Red Stripe. If you want a III for its own character, choose whatever from the above descriptions suits the tone you're after most. Power transformer makes a big difference, and there are actually quite a few varieties across the different models (Export, simulclass, 60/100w, 60w etc). I've got a late blue stripe 60W export and the PT on it is pretty hefty.

You'll hear that the stripes are generally quite similar but my experience is that they're actually pretty different from each other while still sounding like Mark amps.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:46 pm 
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I've had all the stripes except the black..
I prefer the Blue stripe.. it's the only one I have left & is a non simul class combo.
It's pretty rare with a 60/100 switch and EL34's on the outside like a simul.
Red stripes are pretty amazing though. That being said, I can see why some people
prefer their fave stripe in a Mk III. I also think comparing a Mk III to IIC+ is kind of missing the
point of the MK III. It's its own beast. And still my favorite amp ever..


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:30 am 
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el34sg wrote:
I prefer the Blue stripe.. it's the only one I have left & is a non simul class combo.
It's pretty rare with a 60/100 switch and EL34's on the outside like a simul.

Ahhh not sure you want to be using EL34's in a 60/100


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