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Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:26 pm
by Authorized Boogie
Much of this is true - there is SO much misinformation about the update and mods. Also, correct - it is all in Mike B's head. However, when he "retires" from Mesa, it doesn't mean he won't be doing the work!

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:37 pm
by discostu29
True, but he may do a lot less of them and it and may cost a lot more, he might not have access to parts he once had etc. Just my thoughts. I'm surprised he's not fed up of it already. He's probably wishing that Mesa would just re issuse these amps all at ++ level so people can just buy new ones instead of modding old ones. Although he maybe was hoping that the JP2 was going to be that, as far as I know its not IIC++ level? Is it?

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:08 pm
by Markedman
The JP2C can get very hairy when the shred mode in engaged, but it still falls short of the gain that a C++ has. It's a "Mark II Super C+" according to the badge inside the head shell.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:26 am
by jrb32
True, but he may do a lot less of them and it and may cost a lot more, he might not have access to parts he once had etc. Just my thoughts. I'm surprised he's not fed up of it already. He's probably wishing that Mesa would just re issuse these amps all at ++ level so people can just buy new ones instead of modding old ones. Although he maybe was hoping that the JP2 was going to be that, as far as I know its not IIC++ level? Is it?
I'm sure you have a far better insight to Mike B's wishes than Boogie over this... The III R2 channel is basically a switchable ++. Check out the relay on your +/++ and wiring off the power board to power the relay. It's basically the same. I'll draw up a schematic though for you soon though.

Regarding the reissue... a factory IIC+ or ++ is not some simple PCB design to reissue. It's a IIC board (even the 'factory' RP11A/SP11A IIC+s) with a load of mods and wires and extra stuff done (the +) during the production phase. High level of work and craftsmanship involved and very hard to do on a high production output level. There's a reason the III with the single PCB came into existence which is basically a switchable IIC+/++ with a few differences allowing a high level production output due to being just one piece and no wires/mods.
Much of this is true - there is SO much misinformation about the update and mods. Also, correct - it is all in Mike B's head. However, when he "retires" from Mesa, it doesn't mean he won't be doing the work!
I hope you guys (or more specifically Mike B) don't mind me documenting the IIC, IIC+ and ++ as much as I can on here exactly because of this misinformation? My fear is taking work away, but at the end of the day if people realise the amount of work and skill involved to do it 99% of them will just pay the money to have it done! It's such good value for money and that's one of the best things about Boogie is the customer service and their extremely reasonable prices for any servicing or factory work! Why would you send it anywhere else?! (international shipping prices being the only barrier). My understanding is that you pay Mike B separately anyway for any + mod work done at the moment. So if he chooses to continue doing this after he officially 'retires' what's the difference?

Jst reading through the older posts on this topic and am in disbelief at the stupidity of people again based on misinformation. My understanding (and Authorized Boogie might be able to let you know prices) that the following mods are available from Mike B:

IIC+ (upgrade from a IIC)
IIC ++ (hardwired in. Cannot be turned off)
IIC+/++ (switchable via a relay like on the III but for an additional cost). As mentioned earlier in this thread a few left the factory like this, others have been modified subsequently and this switchable +/++ basically became the R2 channel on the III, although with a few differences.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:08 pm
by acalaf
does anyone know if the mid-gain switch in the back of the mark IV tries to emulate the c++ extra gain? thanks