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Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:49 pm
by 4406cuda
THe IIB might be completely different than other Mark amps. Two of my favorite hard rock guitar sounds are:

Mark IIB - Brad Gillis on Ozzy Osboune's Speak Of Devil. I believe he had a pair of them with a chorus in between

Mark III - John Sykes- 1987 White Snake and Blue Murder

Amazing guitar tones from both of those guys!!!

:mrgreen:

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:26 pm
by themisfit138
Necro bump!
I just had to add my 2 cents. I talked to Mike B and Rich Duvall about the C++ mod, today. Mike said there was less than 15 real ++ mods done. Also, there is no added knob or push pull in the middle. It is just a C+ with much higher gain. Mike B said it was a "Metal Machine" and to not get it done if you don't play metal, because it is not switchable. Hope that clears up a few things.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:54 am
by DaveP
I actually owned one of the factory produced C++ and it does in fact have a push pull middle.
When I purchased the amp I wasn't aware it was a C++ nor even knew it existed. I found out when I sent the amp in for service at Mesa.
Mike B called me with the information. He told me I had one of the original C++'s that were factory produced.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:38 pm
by themisfit138
DaveP wrote:I actually owned one of the factory produced C++ and it does in fact have a push pull middle.
When I purchased the amp I wasn't aware it was a C++ nor even knew it existed. I found out when I sent the amp in for service at Mesa.
Mike B called me with the information. He told me I had one of the original C++'s that were factory produced.
OK, I was just going off of what I was told on the phone the other day.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:50 am
by JD
I also own a C++ with a pull switch on the middle knob and also a jack to switch it on the back where the reverb control would be.
Mine doesnt have reverb.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:05 pm
by decker
Hi,

I've got several question :

1/ Why is this mod called "Hetfield mod" ? Did James Hetfield ask for it first ?

2/ When did James Hetfield used it ? What year, what album, in live ?

Thanks

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:29 am
by themisfit138
decker wrote:Hi,

I've got several question :

1/ Why is this mod called "Hetfield mod" ? Did James Hetfield ask for it first ?

2/ When did James Hetfield used it ? What year, what album, in live ?

Thanks
1/ not sure if Hetfield had it done first, but he is probably the most well known user.

2/ albums pretty much everyone Puppets and after. Live, Puppets and Justice tour maybe Black tour also. Best heard on the Seattle show in the Binge and Purge box set. On a side note, I am watching the San Diego show from '92 and it also has awesome tone.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 3:57 am
by decker
Tanks for your answer.

Do you think James used it on the black album ?

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:16 pm
by decker
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Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 8:44 pm
by themisfit138
I am pretty sure I saw some pictures of them in the studio from then, and also a picture of them in his live rack with a Mark IV. Also James talk about the C+ as a ”thickener" on Classic Albums, if I remember correctly.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 8:52 pm
by decker
themisfit138 wrote:Also James talk about the C+ as a ”thickener" on Classic Albums, if I remember correctly.
Yes, James said something about the "thickener" but he didn't tell if it was just one amp and one cab or the entire wall of sound just like for the left and for the right channels.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:27 pm
by JD
decker wrote:
themisfit138 wrote:Also James talk about the C+ as a ”thickener" on Classic Albums, if I remember correctly.
Yes, James said something about the "thickener" but he didn't tell if it was just one amp and one cab or the entire wall of sound just like for the left and for the right channels.
3 Tracks left, right and the thickener

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 2:11 am
by decker
JD wrote: 3 Tracks left, right and the thickener
Yes, the thickener is for the center (both sides).

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:32 pm
by Audiokill
themisfit138 wrote:
DaveP wrote:I actually owned one of the factory produced C++ and it does in fact have a push pull middle.
When I purchased the amp I wasn't aware it was a C++ nor even knew it existed. I found out when I sent the amp in for service at Mesa.
Mike B called me with the information. He told me I had one of the original C++'s that were factory produced.
OK, I was just going off of what I was told on the phone the other day.
What the hell? I'm with you themisfit138. DaveP, you sure you understood Mike B. correctly? Because Mike Bendinelli, himself, specifically told me over the phone that NONE of the C++ amps he ever worked on were ever given a push/pull on the mid knob by him. Not one. After asking him about all the push/pull mid equipped C++ amps that I've seen or heard of online, he speculated that the push/pull mid pot installation on these amps must have been performed by someone outside of Mesa. Why would he tell misfit138 and me one thing and then tell you the complete opposite? Doesn't make sense.

Re: Mark IIC++ Hetfield mod

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:45 pm
by DaveP
That's what Mike told me on the phone. He stated the amp was one of only a limited number that left that factory with that mod.
Mine had the push/pull middle control. He never brought up any mods or if it did or didn't have the push/pull added after the fact or not.
Usually he would being that to your attention. He didn't in my case. It still could have been added after the fact, anything is possible.