Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by kippiejr » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:18 pm

Hello Guys, I think I have found the earliest number C+.. Serial 5224...Ha ha I know it is actually a converted IIA sent to Mike in the early C+ build days and converted. But built during the C+ era and now is a DRG and sounds BEAUTIFUL..
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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by Boogiebabies » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:52 pm

kippiejr wrote:Hello Guys, I think I have found the earliest number C+.. Serial 5224...Ha ha I know it is actually a converted IIA sent to Mike in the early C+ build days and converted. But built during the C+ era and now is a DRG and sounds BEAUTIFUL..

I have pornographic photo's of a fellow forumites DRGX IIA conversion. Best sounding C+ I have ever heard.

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by gts » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:50 pm

I thought that was a DRGX IIB conversion..... Ah my mind must be going as the years progress .... :shock: ;-)

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by dodger916 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:47 am

gts wrote:I thought that was a DRGX IIB conversion..... Ah my mind must be going as the years progress .... :shock: ;-)
IIA George. Serial number 4027, housed in a very handsome gts tolex headshell (waiting for a gts hardwood shell!). And still as Cold-Sweaty as ever, Ed! :twisted:

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by Boogiebabies » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:03 pm

dodger916 wrote:
gts wrote:I thought that was a DRGX IIB conversion..... Ah my mind must be going as the years progress .... :shock: ;-)
IIA George. Serial number 4027, housed in a very handsome gts tolex headshell (waiting for a gts hardwood shell!). And still as Cold-Sweaty as ever, Ed! :twisted:
Careful, I'm only an hour and a half away now....... :evil:

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by Elpelotero » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:09 am

Ed, you live in Brooklyn now? I'm a chef living in Manhattan. All my gear is back in Miami, though.
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Sold:
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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by kippiejr » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:39 pm

Hey Boogie babies,
Here is a weird one to throw things off. Mark III, DRG 15 chassis code, no date, RCS initials, serial 154XX. Has the 105PT, A Gain Boost over the master, but Pull Rhythm 2 above Middle as a Mark III should. Early Mark III but with a IIC face plate?
Does the loop test apply to III's. Did not even think about that, Or did he fix the loops from C+ on so all III do pass. guesses? WHAT IS THIS BEAST.
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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by themisfit138 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:42 pm

kippiejr wrote:Hey Boogie babies,
Here is a weird one to throw things off. Mark III, DRG 15 chassis code, no date, RCS initials, serial 154XX. Has the 105PT, A Gain Boost over the master, but Pull Rhythm 2 above Middle as a Mark III should. Early Mark III but with a IIC face plate?
Does the loop test apply to III's. Did not even think about that, Or did he fix the loops from C+ on so all III do pass. guesses? WHAT IS THIS BEAST.
Your black dot it very close to mine in S/N, mine is 155xx. It also has the 105 transformer and the same rectifier as my C+ which is S/N 143xx.
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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by kippiejr » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:41 pm

Might have an earlier C+ to record. #12271. 2/2/84. Pull Deep face plate. But has PT 100 and preamp tubes have shields. Everything else is correct.. 2/84 would be past IIC range and the Pull Deep face plate is not in IIC. Unless it was upgraded with it.
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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by Fogdog » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:07 pm

I have an opportunity to do a trade for a Mark IIC+ for one of my guitars but I've been having some difficulty trying to determine the value of the head.

Here is what I know:
Head - Ivory White Tolex
Serial #103XX (which means a Mark IIC upgrade to Plus, but my gut thinks it might be a Mark IIB)
It has the "+" and "MB"
60/100
EQ
Effects Loop
The gentleman will also toss in a 1 x 12 white tole extension cabinet with an EVM 12L.

I have a call into Mesa Customer Support but they must be busy for it has been two days and no response yet. My problem is I have my guitar up for sale for $4,000 which I'll let go for $3,500 and the gentleman who is a pro-player wants to do an even swap. I will not have the opportunity to inspect the amp until later this week at which time I will do all the prescribed tests. Hopefully I'll hear back from customer service before that time on the spefics not the value.

Being that this not a production Mark IIC+ can it really be valued at $3,500 or in the ballpark?

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by MarkIIc+ » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:18 am

very interesting indeed :D

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by dodger916 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:22 pm

Fogdog wrote:I have an opportunity to do a trade for a Mark IIC+ for one of my guitars but I've been having some difficulty trying to determine the value of the head.

Here is what I know:
Head - Ivory White Tolex
Serial #103XX (which means a Mark IIC upgrade to Plus, but my gut thinks it might be a Mark IIB)
It has the "+" and "MB"
60/100
EQ
Effects Loop
The gentleman will also toss in a 1 x 12 white tole extension cabinet with an EVM 12L.

I have a call into Mesa Customer Support but they must be busy for it has been two days and no response yet. My problem is I have my guitar up for sale for $4,000 which I'll let go for $3,500 and the gentleman who is a pro-player wants to do an even swap. I will not have the opportunity to inspect the amp until later this week at which time I will do all the prescribed tests. Hopefully I'll hear back from customer service before that time on the spefics not the value.

Being that this not a production Mark IIC+ can it really be valued at $3,500 or in the ballpark?
$3,500 seems quite high to me, at least $1,000 too high, probably more.

Mk IIA->C+ DRGX head "Cold Sweat" in GTS shell
1966 Fender Pro Reverb
DC-3 head
Orange Dual Terror
EVM loaded Thiele; MS-12 1/2 back
71 SG; 72 Tele; 76 White Strat; 77 LP Custom; 81 Goldtop; 05 Am Dlx Strat; 11 G0 plaintop

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by kippiejr » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:30 pm

Upgrade is still a C+. You might fine some that argue PT makes a difference or preamp 10RP or 11RP,,blablabla But I argue I could play 5 different C+ configurations and they would probably never guess which is which. $3500 with 12L cab would be top dollar.
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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by dodger916 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:28 pm

kippiejr wrote:Upgrade is still a C+. You might fine some that argue PT makes a difference or preamp 10RP or 11RP,,blablabla But I argue I could play 5 different C+ configurations and they would probably never guess which is which. $3500 with 12L cab would be top dollar.
The preamp board makes it a C+, so it does make a difference. Different trannys influence tone and playability (sag, etc..). My C+ is an upgraded IIA with an export tranny, and the fellow who wrote this sticky (Boogiebabies) says it's one of the best he's ever heard/played. http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=40325

So I agree that a number printed on a tranny does not, by itself, necessarily make an amp great. My assessment of $3,500 being too high is based on the market for a non-simul, non-reverb, non-factory C+. Not to say that a C+ MUST be a fully-loaded simul to sound great. Each is different and everybody has their own taste and preferences. Bottom line: if you love the amp, then how much is too much? But if/when you fall out of love and need to sell it, be prepared not to re-coup your money.

Scan eBay completed auctions to help get a sense of the market for these amps.

Mk IIA->C+ DRGX head "Cold Sweat" in GTS shell
1966 Fender Pro Reverb
DC-3 head
Orange Dual Terror
EVM loaded Thiele; MS-12 1/2 back
71 SG; 72 Tele; 76 White Strat; 77 LP Custom; 81 Goldtop; 05 Am Dlx Strat; 11 G0 plaintop

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Re: Mark IIC+ - Guide for Dummies

Post by stephen sawall » Mon May 04, 2015 9:42 am

Really is a great post...
The fact that Stephen appears from nowhere, is sentenced to death in an emotional public trial without anyone interfering at all and is then altogether forgotten as if nothing happened, is already suspicious.

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