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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:18 pm 
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Hello Guys, I think I have found the earliest number C+.. Serial 5224...Ha ha I know it is actually a converted IIA sent to Mike in the early C+ build days and converted. But built during the C+ era and now is a DRG and sounds BEAUTIFUL..

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:52 pm 
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kippiejr wrote:
Hello Guys, I think I have found the earliest number C+.. Serial 5224...Ha ha I know it is actually a converted IIA sent to Mike in the early C+ build days and converted. But built during the C+ era and now is a DRG and sounds BEAUTIFUL..



I have pornographic photo's of a fellow forumites DRGX IIA conversion. Best sounding C+ I have ever heard.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:50 pm 
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I thought that was a DRGX IIB conversion..... Ah my mind must be going as the years progress .... :shock: ;-)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:47 am 
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gts wrote:
I thought that was a DRGX IIB conversion..... Ah my mind must be going as the years progress .... :shock: ;-)


IIA George. Serial number 4027, housed in a very handsome gts tolex headshell (waiting for a gts hardwood shell!). And still as Cold-Sweaty as ever, Ed! :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:03 pm 
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dodger916 wrote:
gts wrote:
I thought that was a DRGX IIB conversion..... Ah my mind must be going as the years progress .... :shock: ;-)


IIA George. Serial number 4027, housed in a very handsome gts tolex headshell (waiting for a gts hardwood shell!). And still as Cold-Sweaty as ever, Ed! :twisted:


Careful, I'm only an hour and a half away now....... :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:09 am 
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Ed, you live in Brooklyn now? I'm a chef living in Manhattan. All my gear is back in Miami, though.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:39 pm 
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Hey Boogie babies,
Here is a weird one to throw things off. Mark III, DRG 15 chassis code, no date, RCS initials, serial 154XX. Has the 105PT, A Gain Boost over the master, but Pull Rhythm 2 above Middle as a Mark III should. Early Mark III but with a IIC face plate?
Does the loop test apply to III's. Did not even think about that, Or did he fix the loops from C+ on so all III do pass. guesses? WHAT IS THIS BEAST.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:42 pm 
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kippiejr wrote:
Hey Boogie babies,
Here is a weird one to throw things off. Mark III, DRG 15 chassis code, no date, RCS initials, serial 154XX. Has the 105PT, A Gain Boost over the master, but Pull Rhythm 2 above Middle as a Mark III should. Early Mark III but with a IIC face plate?
Does the loop test apply to III's. Did not even think about that, Or did he fix the loops from C+ on so all III do pass. guesses? WHAT IS THIS BEAST.

Your black dot it very close to mine in S/N, mine is 155xx. It also has the 105 transformer and the same rectifier as my C+ which is S/N 143xx.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:41 pm 
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Might have an earlier C+ to record. #12271. 2/2/84. Pull Deep face plate. But has PT 100 and preamp tubes have shields. Everything else is correct.. 2/84 would be past IIC range and the Pull Deep face plate is not in IIC. Unless it was upgraded with it.
Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:07 pm 
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I have an opportunity to do a trade for a Mark IIC+ for one of my guitars but I've been having some difficulty trying to determine the value of the head.

Here is what I know:
Head - Ivory White Tolex
Serial #103XX (which means a Mark IIC upgrade to Plus, but my gut thinks it might be a Mark IIB)
It has the "+" and "MB"
60/100
EQ
Effects Loop
The gentleman will also toss in a 1 x 12 white tole extension cabinet with an EVM 12L.

I have a call into Mesa Customer Support but they must be busy for it has been two days and no response yet. My problem is I have my guitar up for sale for $4,000 which I'll let go for $3,500 and the gentleman who is a pro-player wants to do an even swap. I will not have the opportunity to inspect the amp until later this week at which time I will do all the prescribed tests. Hopefully I'll hear back from customer service before that time on the spefics not the value.

Being that this not a production Mark IIC+ can it really be valued at $3,500 or in the ballpark?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:18 am 
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very interesting indeed :D


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:22 pm 
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Fogdog wrote:
I have an opportunity to do a trade for a Mark IIC+ for one of my guitars but I've been having some difficulty trying to determine the value of the head.

Here is what I know:
Head - Ivory White Tolex
Serial #103XX (which means a Mark IIC upgrade to Plus, but my gut thinks it might be a Mark IIB)
It has the "+" and "MB"
60/100
EQ
Effects Loop
The gentleman will also toss in a 1 x 12 white tole extension cabinet with an EVM 12L.

I have a call into Mesa Customer Support but they must be busy for it has been two days and no response yet. My problem is I have my guitar up for sale for $4,000 which I'll let go for $3,500 and the gentleman who is a pro-player wants to do an even swap. I will not have the opportunity to inspect the amp until later this week at which time I will do all the prescribed tests. Hopefully I'll hear back from customer service before that time on the spefics not the value.

Being that this not a production Mark IIC+ can it really be valued at $3,500 or in the ballpark?


$3,500 seems quite high to me, at least $1,000 too high, probably more.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:30 pm 
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Upgrade is still a C+. You might fine some that argue PT makes a difference or preamp 10RP or 11RP,,blablabla But I argue I could play 5 different C+ configurations and they would probably never guess which is which. $3500 with 12L cab would be top dollar.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:28 pm 
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kippiejr wrote:
Upgrade is still a C+. You might fine some that argue PT makes a difference or preamp 10RP or 11RP,,blablabla But I argue I could play 5 different C+ configurations and they would probably never guess which is which. $3500 with 12L cab would be top dollar.

The preamp board makes it a C+, so it does make a difference. Different trannys influence tone and playability (sag, etc..). My C+ is an upgraded IIA with an export tranny, and the fellow who wrote this sticky (Boogiebabies) says it's one of the best he's ever heard/played. http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=40325

So I agree that a number printed on a tranny does not, by itself, necessarily make an amp great. My assessment of $3,500 being too high is based on the market for a non-simul, non-reverb, non-factory C+. Not to say that a C+ MUST be a fully-loaded simul to sound great. Each is different and everybody has their own taste and preferences. Bottom line: if you love the amp, then how much is too much? But if/when you fall out of love and need to sell it, be prepared not to re-coup your money.

Scan eBay completed auctions to help get a sense of the market for these amps.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:42 am 
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Really is a great post...

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