Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

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Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by wannabweiland » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:44 am

Hey All,

After a few years of going through amp after amp after amp in search of "the tone," something struck me. Maybe I'm the malfunction in the operation here.

I have a Mesa Stiletto Deuce Stage II. Near mint. I love the clean sound I dialed in, but I can't seem to get on with a dirty solo sound. I know it can do it, but I'm not able to achieve it for some reason. I was hoping someone could help.

Here's my problem: I feel like the sound is a bit thin and brittle. I'm looking for more of a smooth tone. Full-bodied notes. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Stiletto users, please, don't hesitate to lay into me.
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by Spewnz » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:39 am

what cab/ speakers are you using? and what guitar/pickups?

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by KH Guitar Freak » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:50 pm

Back down on the master a little, and compensate with the output. You'll get a bigger and fatter tone that way. Also, fiddling with the mid control might help a little. Of course there's the option of valve rectification as well...

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by mikey383 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:26 pm

Are you using your neck pickup? If not, try that first.
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by jetdriver » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:06 pm

Run your Output & Solo knobs past noon. This head likes to be LOUD. But, you can still achieve great tone at reasonable levels. The key is to run those two knobs at least at noon, then Master volumes to as loud as you can tolerate for the given situation. Try not to scoop out the mids. Mesa says the best tones are with the eq knobs almost straight up and I agree. I do run the presence OFF, and the treble bestween almost off, and maybe 10:00 MAX (when playing in a band). The bass is about 1:00 and the mids are between 10 to 11. Ch 2 - Tite Gain. Diodes, and Bold (live) Spongy (at home). 50W at home and 100W for live use. I also only run my gain about 1:00. Plenty for most situations (for me).

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by Chester » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:37 am

Fluid Drive with a Fulltone FD II gets me from AC/DC grind to Santana mercury using guitar volume / tone etc. Took me a year to find it and work in the pedal set up, so I know what you are going through. Stick with it ... whisky helped in the voyage of discovery and Mesa frustration :wink:
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by alie123 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:04 am

I agree,

Dialing in this amp can be very hard is some situations. Try different settings, keep dialing and know your amp so it has no secrets for you.. Amp resonds very different on different guitars, pickups etc. When not dialed in correctly, the amp can get very harsh. I've installed the bias mod. This helped a lot, but use your ears and listen. Sometimes the settings seems weird, but in the end the TONE is what matters.

My experience: Try get the output as high as possible. Around 11 / 12 oclock is best. Compensate this with the channel masters to achieve the right amount of volume. FX loop level is important. Do not back off the mids!! Try to get this as high as possible.

Keep treble en presc. low, and do not turn the bass too high to keep it tight sounding. Watch out with gain. Keep it as low as possible. You'll notice you don't need as much gain as you think in a band situation!. last one... change tubes. !

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by ochrisl » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:12 pm

I like everything around noon except the treble and presence almost off. Tite gain. I like the amp best with the loop engaged, a splash of reverb and or delay in the loop and something to control the volume in the loop since I usually have the master and output at noon also. It sounds harsh and brittle only when the masters are to low.

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by droptrd » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:25 pm

Ever try an EQ in the Loop to bump the bottom a bit? I had that going and a good OD boost in the front on titegain and it was thick and creamy
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by screamingdaisy » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:38 pm

You guys realize this is a 6 month old thread, right?
Ignore the hype and trust your ears. Play more, buy less = better tone.

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by alie123 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:10 am

yes, realise that, but why not share all our info. There are always players with good tips we all can try. I keep learning because it's an amp with very much diffent sounds..

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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by droptrd » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:41 am

screamingdaisy wrote:You guys realize this is a 6 month old thread, right?
Im outta work and bored....
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by fbomb » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:56 pm

why do u care how old this thread is? the dude needs help ,so lets help him. i agree ,keep the MIDS up and TREB low. i bring the PRESN up just enough til the amp opens up and doesnt sound compressed or muffled.
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by screamingdaisy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:54 pm

fbomb wrote:why do u care how old this thread is? the dude needs help ,so lets help him. i agree ,keep the MIDS up and TREB low. i bring the PRESN up just enough til the amp opens up and doesnt sound compressed or muffled.
I'm pretty sure he's sold the amp...
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Re: Tone shaping: I could use some serious help

Post by droptrd » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:44 am

Or still trying to
screamingdaisy wrote:
fbomb wrote:why do u care how old this thread is? the dude needs help ,so lets help him. i agree ,keep the MIDS up and TREB low. i bring the PRESN up just enough til the amp opens up and doesnt sound compressed or muffled.
I'm pretty sure he's sold the amp...
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