Roadster needs more gain!!

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Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by harem_theater » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:26 am

Hey guys.

I'm loving my Roadster head so far (about 2 months), although channels 1-3 are fantastic, i feel i need a little bit more gain on channel 4. My lead tone has always had an over the top gain vibe about it (ala steve vai) to the point when playing at rehearsal volume, i get feedback when i stop playing on channel 4. It's just the way i like my lead touch sensitivity.

Now, i know there are mods here to get more gain and stilletto voicing out of channel 2 brit by swapping out pots, but is there any way i can get a slither more gain out of channel 4 by doing this? i guess i want that tubescreamer boost without the pedal.

Any takers?
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by UnderJollyRoger » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:54 am

Put the Gain on 10 ;)

Seriously, where do you have it set ? I can't imagine one would put it on - let's say - seven or eight and not have enough gain ...
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by harem_theater » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:19 am

haha i knew someone would say that. It IS on ten and not hot enough. I'm running Dimarzio Tone Zones, Steve's specials and Air Nortons and my volume is up pretty loud. the notes just feel a little choked and i like the feel of effortlessly tapping. I'm thinking of a flat boost pedal or an overdrive pedal in front but i'd rather just squeeze more out of the amp.
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by Chris McKinley » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:12 am

Bad news....the Recto series simply isn't capable of it. It's funny, for all the high-gain reputation that the Rectos have had since their creation, they really aren't all that high-gain compared to a) certain other high-gain amps, and b) what we 80's shredders used to call high gain.

As if that weren't enough, the Rectos' design is such that there is simultaneously too much gain on tap to be useable in some frequencies and nowhere near enough in others. For example, putting the gain on 10 results in what is, to most ears, a completely unacceptable level of mud in the bass frequencies and an unacceptable loss of definition in the treble frequencies. At the same time, even with the gain on 10, the amp still doesn't produce enough mids and mid harmonics to produce even-order feedback with pick attack alone the way modded Marshalls or Rectos with modded Tubescreamers in front can.

Raw gain often becomes misunderstood in the pursuit of both high-gain lead and rhythm tones. Huge guitar sound is more often a function of frequency contrast and track layering for rhythm, and harmonic content and sustain for lead. Raw gain plays a vital role, but it's not sufficient in and of itself.

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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by espboogie123 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:01 am

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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by RoadKinger483 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:19 am

Why don't you try a clean boost pedal to icrease the output of your pickups. I use the xotic RC Boost pedal on my Roadster sometimes. Its tranparent enough on the cleans to where it leaves the tone unalteredand adds power to the tone but pushed hard enough in channels 3 and 4 for that extra output and sizzle. Im running vintage output pickups on my PRS Custom 22 and it loves the combination. I've tried the pedal with many other guitars as well and it handles them all beutifully. If your on a budget a seymour duncan pickup booster will do the triack also :wink:
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by screamingdaisy » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:57 am

Tubescreamer. It adds mids and compression that simply turning up the gain doesn't accomplish.

It's why dudes like Vai - dudes who have their own custom built amps - still use pedals for their lead boost.
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by MrMarkIII » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:10 am

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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by fluff191 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:53 pm

Time for a boost! Maxon OD808 is great for that.
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by harem_theater » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:52 pm

haha yeah i guess you're all right....dunno about MrMarkIII, though haha :wink:

I just hate fiddling with pedals and such. I came from a TriAxis based rack with a Line 6 Spider Valve mkII (VERY good amp for the price btw) to the roadster which i'm glad i did. I'd forgotten what a 'real' AMP feels like with instant response and no latency. But at the same time i was spoiled with all that gain and MIDI controlling.

Guess it's time to start MIDI'ing up this rig too.

So you folks think the Ibanez/Maxon TS is the better route? I've even thought of trying some boss pedals but I'm pretty sure i only like that idea because i can mod them for fun without spending a lot of money on the initial product (cheap pedals).
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by Chris McKinley » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:29 pm

Depends on what sound you're going for and whether or not you are wanting to either get a modded pedal or do your own mods, or whether you'd prefer to buy a stock pedal. I generally build better quality stuff than Maxon or Ibanez, so for me the question is between whether I want to mod a stock pedal or build one from scratch.

There are also different categories of effects that can be considered for the job. Overdrives are not the same as clean boosts, which are different from EQ's, which are different still from treble boosters. Then there are always basic compressors. Plus, you can mix and match any of these for even more possibilities.

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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by b0nkersx » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:14 pm

harem_theater wrote:haha yeah i guess you're all right....dunno about MrMarkIII, though haha :wink:

I just hate fiddling with pedals and such. I came from a TriAxis based rack with a Line 6 Spider Valve mkII (VERY good amp for the price btw) to the roadster which i'm glad i did. I'd forgotten what a 'real' AMP feels like with instant response and no latency. But at the same time i was spoiled with all that gain and MIDI controlling.

Guess it's time to start MIDI'ing up this rig too.

So you folks think the Ibanez/Maxon TS is the better route? I've even thought of trying some boss pedals but I'm pretty sure i only like that idea because i can mod them for fun without spending a lot of money on the initial product (cheap pedals).
If you want a cheap boss pedal, the Super Overdrive is a good look. I use a Maxon 808 and Fulltone OCD for boosts, but I really like the Maxon in particular.

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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by espboogie123 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:08 am

+1 Maxon od808
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by joe web » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:33 am

more gain needed on the roadster?
i use the red channel set to modern as my lead sound. gain turned up to 3 o´clock and this is enough gain for leads.
but too much gain for a tight rhythm playing.

while using the orange channel set to vintage for leads (gain at 1 o´clock), i push it with an MXR ZW-44 overdrive.
love both lead-sounds. the red channel is a more singing, warm midrange lead and the orange with zw-44 is more cutting through with aggressive mids and highs and reminds me more of the 80´s metal solo-sounds.
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Re: Roadster needs more gain!!

Post by Rkorn » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:05 am

Does the Mark V has more gain than the Roadster??

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