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Re: Doug's tone kit, any opinions for a Mark V?

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:39 pm
by mesaboogie6L6
Thanks bandit.

V30's have 16 lb magnets too? I don't think they do, so how do the speakers weigh the same? Celestions weigh around 10, EV's weigh 18.

http://www.electrovoice.com/product.php?id=410
http://celestion.com/product/1/vintage_30/

Re: Doug's tone kit, any opinions for a Mark V?

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:46 am
by crane
Changed my C90 in my 1x12 Widebody openback for an EVL12 classic.
The holes around the EVL are very straight and narrow, the ones on the C90 are looser and wider.... so it was a bit tricky to put the EVL's holes right in front of the existing screw because they were "adjusted" for the C90 (and so, not really "adjusted" at all).
I can confirm that the existing screw are just long enough for the EVL.

Re: Doug's tone kit, any opinions for a Mark V?

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:36 am
by bandit2013
mesaboogie6L6 wrote:Thanks bandit.

V30's have 16 lb magnets too? I don't think they do, so how do the speakers weigh the same? Celestions weigh around 10, EV's weigh 18.

http://www.electrovoice.com/product.php?id=410
http://celestion.com/product/1/vintage_30/
I did not actually weigh them, they just felt about the same weight. The steel frame cuts out most of the weight. However, the magnets on the V30 are very thick. You will find that out when you swap them. The V30's are also sealed to the cabinet as well. You will need to pry them up slightly with a flat blade screwdriver and then pull with even force to remove them. Take it slow if you want to reuse the V30's or sell them. Also check the speaker hole and around the surface for any wood fibers that may have broken loose or material that was left behind from assembly. I found split wood chips around the screws that I did not want forced into the new speakers. You will not be able to mount the EV's from the front side (as was the case with my slanted recto cab. Each speaker port was boxed in with wood supports which also has the mounting screws attached. Simlar to the issue I discovered with the Mark IV, there was an odd shapped cutout and support that did not allow for front mounting (that would have allowed for more clearance of the tubes to the frame of the speaker, reason why I kept the C90 and used the EV in the 412 cab). Not sure if the Classic EVM use the same cone suspension as the BL versions. Since I had both Mesa BLEVM12L and a Classic EVM12L (bought in the 90's), I found that the EVM12L black label Zacck Wylde used similar suspension materials as the Mesa version. The 90's Classic had a softer suspension around the cone and as for tone added more bass where the Mesa EV12L was a bit more punchy and tight. Too bad I sold the MKIII with its satallite extension cab before I purchased the New EVM speaker. I could have made a tone comparrison between the three (Mesa BL, EVM classic, and Zacck Wylde BL). In all honesty, I had no clue who Zacck Wylde was so there was no influence in my decision for which model I purchased. I know who he or the band is now, impressive guitarist.