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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:31 pm 
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I don't ever use OD pedals - I agree with some of the posts that I wouldn't even really consider buying an amp that required OD pedals to achieve my desired tone. I currently have a RA-100 and it kicks major ass, no need for an OD pedal or boost. \m/

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:51 am 
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There are no absolutes. When you think in those terms, you are always missing something.

My dream was to never have a drive pedal ever again. I thought they closed the open sound of a raw amp. I dreamt of enough gain and compression to sustain those screaming notes and pinch harmonics...

Then I got an amp that did not need any extra help to achieve that. But one of two situations arose, either there were other compromises that crept into the tone to achieve that much filth, or there was another flavor you just could not get without some form of dirt pedal.

In the end, having an amp that can dial up the dirt, plus quality drive pedals like Wampler, Xotic, or Zvex (or others), gives you more options and more flavors. To limit yourself could be seen as noble, but there is more to love. Why only pick blondes, when there are also redheads and brunettes?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:31 pm 
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Straight into the amp for me.....altho I occassionally do use a clean boost for a volume boost on solos, but I can live with or without it....I much prefer to let the amp do the work.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:28 pm 
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Why ruin the sound that made Mesa famous? Any OD drive into a MKIII I have tried makes it sound worse with it in. Thats why I bought a Mark III is cause it sounds so killer just "plug n standby n play" These things roar right outta the box!

The only thing that would be close is an ADA through the clean channel.

I also heard from a few that a EQ through the effects loop is pretty awesome too.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:50 pm 
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I didn't use anything in front of my amps for decades, then one day, I woke up and found myself playing in a new venture needing a variety of sounds that didn't come naturally to the MkIII. So should I buy a new amp and kick the MkIII to the curb? NO! I looked into quality pedals that would compliment the ch1 and ch2 of my old buddy. The results are awesome and I'm kicking myself for being so closed-minded for so many years. A tricked-out TS-9 and an EP Booster can do some really cool stuff.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:57 pm 
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mikebat wrote:
There are no absolutes. When you think in those terms, you are always missing something.


Bravo! Well said. I whole-heartedly believe what you said. A friend of mine said about people we knew that had black or white opinions
on gear: "Ignorance is bliss."


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:23 am 
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I don't use an OD at the moment, although I do with my Studio Pre setup. A Wampler Super Ecstasy gives me what I want, due to the notorious difficulty of setting the knobs on the Studio Pre to sound good on both channels. With my Stiletto Deuce, I am playing a National Resolectric and a 1958 National lap steel through it. I get exactly the right amount of drive just from the amp.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:32 pm 
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This may just be my weird thing but there's something I look for in every amp I buy. Something in the feel. Any pedals seem to take that little nuance I look for away for some reason.
It's similar to the difference between an amp that can hard bypass the loop. With it bypassed there is just a little more mojo or soul.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:46 pm 
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One of the things I look for in an amp is how good its OD is. I won't buy an amp with crap OD. That's why I fell in love with the original Mark I Boogie sound. I bought my Mini Rec largely because the "vintage" setting is so lush and reminiscent of the Mark I, and I can get it at less than ear-splitting volumes, although diming the gain and master on "clean" yields a glorious, uncompressed OD that is pretty loud.

That said, I've played with a few OD pedals, but I found myself preferring the amp's OD; so they sit in the drawer. I do keep the Mesa Grid Slammer on my board, though, as a sort of third channel option for something between pure clean and the red channel OD. It really sounds like the amp.

I think that players who have or are looking for "their own sound" (like me) tend to prefer their OD from the amp alone, and choose their amp largely for that reason, whereas players who want to get the "right" sound for the song (cover or tribute bands that go for accurate replications of recorded tones) tend to have a few or a lot of OD pedals to get the job done. Of course these aren't hard and fast rules; just trends I've noticed over the years.

I think it's great that we have choices so there's something for everybody.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:48 pm 
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ryjan wrote:
I won't buy an amp that requires me to buy auxiliary gear to make it acceptable. If a $2000+ amp can't make the grade on its own then I either need to find something that fits me better or work on my picking.


Same here. Never used OD pedals to start with.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:53 am 
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ryjan wrote:
I won't buy an amp that requires me to buy auxiliary gear to make it acceptable. If a $2000+ amp can't make the grade on its own then I either need to find something that fits me better or work on my picking.
I currently play an ESP with the het set into a Roadster. No fx, no boosts, gain at 1:00 is borderline overkill.


Couldn't have said it better myself!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:58 am 
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barfly wrote:
mikebat wrote:
There are no absolutes. When you think in those terms, you are always missing something.


Bravo! Well said. I whole-heartedly believe what you said. A friend of mine said about people we knew that had black or white opinions
on gear: "Ignorance is bliss."


I agree with you guys too - but I think it just depends on the amp/gear you are using. I guess in my situation (and with my current amp = RA-100) there is no need for an external drive pedal (which is what I prefer). I've gone through a countless amount of gear over my 20 years of playing - and there have been times that I've used dirt pedals to achieve the desired tone I was looking for.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:43 am 
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I don't always use an OD. But when I do, I......

I don't use ODs 24/7. But I do use them at every show, with every band I play with.

Its not about boosting gain. I think anyone that uses an OD will tell you that. Its about different textures of gain, amp feel, and in some case frequency response (or bandwidth?)

Using an OD is great to help cover up poor playing. It not only can be used to add top end fizz but it also kinda removes a lot of the touch sensitivity from your rig, making more consistent dynamics - much like a compressor but more subtle and open.

One metal band I used to play with, the band leader hated mid range. He said he didn't want acdc tone lol. whatever, I was the new guy in the band and I just went along. I used a mark III set kinda scoopy. I would use a stock ts808 for an OD to boost the mids a bit and add a little sizzle to my leads. It worked great - ol boy was happy and stayed off my ass about my tone.

My recto days (2ch) in the 90s and 00s I wouldn't go anywhere without my modded SD-1. Certain riffs and parts. It would tighted the lowend better than the amps eq could. Id be switching it on and off all night.

But still, most of the time I like to let the amp just be itself.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:47 pm 
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droptrd wrote:
Using an OD is great to help cover up poor playing.



Absolutely! One of the sayings from a band I was in:

"Distortion covers mistakes. When you play clean and screw-up, everybody knows it."


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:15 pm 
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soundchaser59 wrote:
Do you go straight in without OD pedals, and let your amp's crunch and OD do the talking?

What amps and guitars are you using for this? What OD pedals did you sacrifice when you realized your amp sounded pretty good the way it is?

I have changed amps recently and the OD is really good. (One of them is a mint Subway Rocket 44) I felt like my OD pedals were almost in the way. I'm tempted to part with them and just let the amps dot he work. I'll have a couple three fx in the loop (chorus, reverb, delay) but the OD up front is gone.


I consider OD pedals "silly."
Tube OD in amp sounds way better, and I don't need footswitches or cables all over the place.

I also consider foot switches and channel switching "silly."

I plug straight in to the amp. I use the volume control on my guitar to change between clean and overdrive.

If you have an amp, and you don't like the sound of the amp overdrive, then get another amp, that you "do" like.

Real tube overdrive is the REAL sound. OD pedals are a weak imitation.


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