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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:19 pm 
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I consider OD pedals "silly."
Tube OD in amp sounds way better, and I don't need footswitches or cables all over the place.

I also consider foot switches and channel switching "silly."

I plug straight in to the amp. I use the volume control on my guitar to change between clean and overdrive.

If you have an amp, and you don't like the sound of the amp overdrive, then get another amp, that you "do" like.

Real tube overdrive is the REAL sound. OD pedals are a weak imitation.

It's silly when people don't think the same as I do or do things the way I do because I'm positive that everybody's musical needs are identical to mine.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:26 pm 
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I have pedals but I dont use them. I went thru my phase (short lived) but got out of it quickly.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:47 am 
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KiwiJoe wrote:
soundguruman wrote:
I consider OD pedals "silly."
Tube OD in amp sounds way better, and I don't need footswitches or cables all over the place.

I also consider foot switches and channel switching "silly."

I plug straight in to the amp. I use the volume control on my guitar to change between clean and overdrive.

If you have an amp, and you don't like the sound of the amp overdrive, then get another amp, that you "do" like.

Real tube overdrive is the REAL sound. OD pedals are a weak imitation.

It's silly when people don't think the same as I do or do things the way I do because I'm positive that everybody's musical needs are identical to mine.


The question was: anybody roll without overdrive pedals?
I answered and explained WHY.
I don't like pedals, I don't need pedals.

You can take the best guitar player...
and give him the crappiest amplifier...
and the crappiest guitar...and no effects pedals at all.
and he will still sound GREAT. Why is this?

It's NOT the amp, or the PEDALS, or the GUITAR.
It's the GUITAR PLAYER that makes it sound great.

People who "think" they need overdrive pedals to sound good...
It's ALL in your playing. NOT in the pedals.
You don't need pedals to sound good. You need to learn how to play GOOD.

The effects pedal is just a toy.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:07 am 
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soundguruman wrote:
KiwiJoe wrote:
soundguruman wrote:
I consider OD pedals "silly."
Tube OD in amp sounds way better, and I don't need footswitches or cables all over the place.

I also consider foot switches and channel switching "silly."

I plug straight in to the amp. I use the volume control on my guitar to change between clean and overdrive.

If you have an amp, and you don't like the sound of the amp overdrive, then get another amp, that you "do" like.

Real tube overdrive is the REAL sound. OD pedals are a weak imitation.

It's silly when people don't think the same as I do or do things the way I do because I'm positive that everybody's musical needs are identical to mine.


The question was: anybody roll without overdrive pedals?
I answered and explained WHY.
I don't like pedals, I don't need pedals.

You can take the best guitar player...
and give him the crappiest amplifier...
and the crappiest guitar...and no effects pedals at all.
and he will still sound GREAT. Why is this?

It's NOT the amp, or the PEDALS, or the GUITAR.
It's the GUITAR PLAYER that makes it sound great.

People who "think" they need overdrive pedals to sound good...
It's ALL in your playing. NOT in the pedals.
You don't need pedals to sound good. You need to learn how to play GOOD.

The effects pedal is just a toy.



WRONG:
You can take the best guitar player...
and give him the crappiest amplifier...
and the crappiest guitar...and no effects pedals at all.
and he will still sound GREAT. Why is this?

It's NOT the amp, or the PEDALS, or the GUITAR.
It's the GUITAR PLAYER that makes it sound great.

Just because a guitar player is "good" or "great" doesn't mean he or she will sound good or great playing through crappy gear. LOL

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:58 pm 
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Just because a guitar player is "good" or "great" doesn't mean he or she will sound good or great playing through crappy gear. LOL


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:28 pm 
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soundguruman wrote:
The question was: anybody roll without overdrive pedals?
I answered and explained WHY.
I don't like pedals, I don't need pedals.

You can take the best guitar player...
and give him the crappiest amplifier...
and the crappiest guitar...and no effects pedals at all.
and he will still sound GREAT. Why is this?

It's NOT the amp, or the PEDALS, or the GUITAR.
It's the GUITAR PLAYER that makes it sound great.

People who "think" they need overdrive pedals to sound good...
It's ALL in your playing. NOT in the pedals.
You don't need pedals to sound good. You need to learn how to play GOOD.

The effects pedal is just a toy.

Well, it's actually, "...learn how to play WELL," but I'll not belabor the grammar fascism.

And actually, I'm with you - to a point. Yeah, I bought my Mesa amp primarily for its OD; that's the sound I like and the OD I use 99% of the time. However, I use the amp footswitch, and I bought one of Mesa's pedals to have another OD option. I also roll guitar volume. I also like kittehs and bourbon (not together, though).

All I'm saying is that you're a bit judgmental about what other people do..."People who "think" they need overdrive pedals to sound good..." What do you care? And by that reasoning, why do people "need" overdrive (amp or pedal) to "sound good" if it's all in the player (which, I agree, is the most important ingredient)?

Anyway, it's all good. Rock on.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:27 pm 
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TimeSignature wrote:
Just because a guitar player is "good" or "great" doesn't mean he or she will sound good or great playing through crappy gear. LOL

True. I think that good player sounding good through crappy gear thing came about as a counter-argument to the idea that good gear will make a poor player sound good.

The thing is that, given the exact same amp/rig, a good player will sound better than a poor player. I mean, nobody I know wants to listen to somebody who can barely play regardless of how good his/her gear is, right? And the better players tend to also have better toanz (as subjective as the whole "tone" thing is).

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:36 pm 
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I think posting this question on a Mesa/Boogie forum is introducing some bias into the answers. Our amps are known for their signature distortion, whatever flavor it may be. Personally, I go back and forth. I am currently in big-time pedal phase. I have some nice pedals from boutique builders that sound amazing. I think the best part about gain pedals, though, is gain stacking. Sometimes channel-switching amps sound like two different amps. With pedals, you can keep your base tone consistent, and just add more and more dirt on top of it.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:30 pm 
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OD pedals and training wheels are both good tools for compensating for a lack of skill. Once that skill has been learned they should get taken off. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:41 pm 
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Wow guys. Just, wow. :? A Klon in ch1 or on top of a lower gain ch3 is a beautiful thing. Finding new ways to continue finding flexible ways to use a 25 year old amp isn't heresy, it's a new spice in the recipe. To each their own.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:11 pm 
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There is not one overdrive pedal in the entire planet that gets me the sound I have out of my c+ ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:18 pm 
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ifailedshapes wrote:
I think posting this question on a Mesa/Boogie forum is introducing some bias into the answers. Our amps are known for their signature distortion, whatever flavor it may be. Personally, I go back and forth. I am currently in big-time pedal phase. I have some nice pedals from boutique builders that sound amazing. I think the best part about gain pedals, though, is gain stacking. Sometimes channel-switching amps sound like two different amps. With pedals, you can keep your base tone consistent, and just add more and more dirt on top of it.

That's why I keep loving my c+ both clean and crunch come share the same eq so channel switching don't always sound like I'm using a different amp unless I have the geq set on auto which makes the lead come with the extra bands. I really don't feel I would never need an overdrive pedal with these amps. I will get even better after I get something to get switching between the two c+ I will be able to set clean, barely breaking up, crunch and bone crushing :-)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:05 pm 
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LSS and Strats SCs and P90s. Vol pot swap mod and Reeder mod. ch2 is great OD now. And don't use any other pedals either. They dampen the tone.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:57 pm 
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ryjan wrote:
OD pedals and training wheels are both good tools for compensating for a lack of skill. Once that skill has been learned they should get taken off. :lol:



That's a goofy statement. So i guess everyone should just play clean tones? Is the only use for distortion / overdrive compensation for lack of skill, too? What about compression? Same? What other effects compensate for lack of skill? Please tell us. LOL...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:39 pm 
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TimeSignature wrote:
ryjan wrote:
OD pedals and training wheels are both good tools for compensating for a lack of skill. Once that skill has been learned they should get taken off. :lol:



That's a goofy statement. So i guess everyone should just play clean tones? Is the only use for distortion / overdrive compensation for lack of skill, too? What about compression? Same? What other effects compensate for lack of skill? Please tell us. LOL...


I'm talking about using them on the amps overdriven channel.

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